Can a Commercial Airplane Takeoff During Landing in Casino Royale?

[Phrak]

I'm not a real pilot but I have a lot of hours with the 747 in MS Flight Sim. For takeoff I use 5 or 10 degree flaps. Takeoff and landing speeds can vary and depend to some extent on loading. I usually start my rotation at around 150 IAS. For landing I gradually decrease speed and extend flaps one notch at a time as I reach the maximum safe speed to do so. One of the quirks of the 747 is that it's difficult to slow it down when you're in a decent. Just cutting back on the throttle won't do it so I have to use the speed brakes. I try to get my air speed down to about 170 IAS before I enter the glide slope on final. I could go down to 160 or even 150, but fully loaded the 747 will stall at just under 150 so I like to some margin of safety. And higher speeds give you better control. Once established on final and I'm into the glide slope I lower the gear and go to full flaps (30). The main purpose of flaps when landing is to put the aircraft at a more level angle. If I could not use flaps on landing I would not be able to see the runway, unless I increased air speed to bring the nose down.

As someone has already mentioned the "go around" is pretty routine and normal. It even happens in flight sim. If the plane landing in front of me is too slow exiting the runway or if I'm just coming in too fast behind him then I will get a "go around" from the control tower.

From what I've been gathering the changes required between takeoff and landing are increasing throttle, retracting the speed brakes and decreasing flaps by 10 degrees. The flaps and speed brakes may take 15-20 seconds to change setting.

It looks as though, full flaps on takeoff will prevent the 747 from rotating nose up for takeoff. You might try it in your simulator to see how it reacts.

 

[TurtleMeister]

From what I've been gathering the changes required between takeoff and landing are increasing throttle, retracting the speed brakes and decreasing flaps by 10 degrees. The flaps and speed brakes may take 15-20 seconds to change setting.

It looks as though, full flaps on takeoff will prevent the 747 from rotating nose up for takeoff. You might try it in your simulator to see how it reacts.

Are you talking about a touch-and-go landing? 15 - 20 seconds sounds about right for the flaps, but the speed brakes are much faster. Touch-and-go landings are normal procedures, so I'm sure there's one for the 747. But an aborted landing after touch down would be a different situation because the braking, speed brakes and wheel brakes, come on automatically when the wheels touch the runway. I guess it would depend on how soon you discover you have to get back in the air, how much runway you have left, and how heavy you are. I'll give it a try the next time I'm playing with flight sim.

 

[vibjwb]

The back and forth between Cells and Fredgarvin might be explained like this. There is a response time between putting the throttle on max thrust and the engine being on full thrust. I would think that the pilot would put the throttle on full thrust before touch down to get full thrust out of the engine at touch down. I think that both meant the same thing.

 

[sganesh88]

If taking off while landing can make you guys raise your eyebrows, then watch this..


If laws are your GODS then do not watch it. Blasphemous.!

 

[DaveC426913]

Rolling a glider at "nap" of the Earth type altitudes? Sorry Dave. It's a good bar story, but I call total BS on that one. Your cadet buddy is full of it. Powered aircraft have troubles not losing altitude in a roll let alone a glider. I would need some form of proof for this one.

My bad.

I should have heard the full story from the horse's mouth before speaking out.

He veered off all right, but never rolled past 90.

 

[FredGarvin]

My bad.

I should have heard the full story from the horse's mouth before speaking out.

He veered off all right, but never rolled past 90.

That in itself is a scary thing when you are already lined up and in a configuration to land. He's lucky he had some kind of speed still available to do that.

 

[DaveC426913]

That in itself is a scary thing when you are already lined up and in a configuration to land. He's lucky he had some kind of speed still available to do that.

Yes. The other guy was in line behind him for landing, but as he turned for final approach, the guy turned sharper, cutting him off and ending up in front of him.

He almost punched the guy out.

 

[Phrak]

Are you talking about a touch-and-go landing? 15 - 20 seconds sounds about right for the flaps, but the speed brakes are much faster. Touch-and-go landings are normal procedures, so I'm sure there's one for the 747. But an aborted landing after touch down would be a different situation because the braking, speed brakes and wheel brakes, come on automatically when the wheels touch the runway. I guess it would depend on how soon you discover you have to get back in the air, how much runway you have left, and how heavy you are. I'll give it a try the next time I'm playing with flight sim.

I lost track of this thread until today. How did the simulator go? (come to think about it, as a Continental flick maybe it should be tested in an Airbus.)

Anyone? What model jet executed the aborted landing in the Casino Royale?

 

[TurtleMeister]

I lost track of this thread until today. How did the simulator go?

I was successful with the aborted landing simulation on the 747. It took almost all of the short 5800 foot runway. I could probably do better if I practiced. I ran it with a full payload and 50% fuel in the wing tanks. I waited until the nose gear touched down before I started the abort. By that time the wheel brakes were engaged and the speed breaks were deployed. I then went to full throttle, disengaged the wheel breaks, retracted the speed breaks, and pulled the flaps up to 10. Once I went to full throttle it didn't take long at all to get back in the air.

 

[etsija0]

I lost track of this thread until today. How did the simulator go? (come to think about it, as a Continental flick maybe it should be tested in an Airbus.)

Anyone? What model jet executed the aborted landing in the http://fi.unibet.com/casino" Royale?

It's Boeing 747..

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0297.shtml