Can a Man Tow a 109,000-kg Plane Using Newton's Laws?

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The discussion revolves around a scenario where a man attempts to tow a 109,000-kg airplane using a cable, considering the forces involved, particularly friction and tension. The problem is situated within the context of Newton's laws of motion.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of equations related to net forces and friction. Questions arise about how the coefficient of friction limits the man's ability to tow the plane and the implications of different surface conditions, such as an ice rink.

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Some participants have offered insights into the role of friction and tension, suggesting that the tension in the cable is crucial for motion. There is an exploration of whether the man and the airplane can be treated as a single system, with varying opinions on the relevance of tension in this context.

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Participants are considering the absence of friction between the airplane and the ground, which affects the dynamics of the problem. The discussion also touches on the maximum acceleration achievable given the constraints of the scenario.

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1. A man seeking to set a world record wants to tow a 109,000-kg airplane along a runway by pulling horizontally on a cable attached to the airplane. The mass of the man is 85 kg, and the coefficient of static friction between his shoes and the runway is 0.77. What is the greatest acceleration the man can give the airplane? Assume that the airplane is on wheels that turn without any frictional resistance.

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PLANE --> Tension=mass of plane x acceleration

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How do I set up the equation for the net forces of man. Is force of friction - Tension = mass of man x acceleration the correct equation?
 
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This question actually has little to do with tension. You are given the coefficient of friction and so you should be able to find the frictional force the ground can provide. How do you think this limits the way the man can pull the plane? As an limiting situation, think about the scenario situated on a giant ice rink, how would that change things?
 
bulbasaur88 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


How do I set up the equation for the net forces of man. Is force of friction - Tension = mass of man x acceleration the correct equation?

Yes, it is correct.

ehild
 
thank u Dr. ehild
 
if anyone attempts this problem let me kno if u get ~ F = 0.49979 N thanks
 
Yuqing said:
This question actually has little to do with tension. You are given the coefficient of friction and so you should be able to find the frictional force the ground can provide. How do you think this limits the way the man can pull the plane? As an limiting situation, think about the scenario situated on a giant ice rink, how would that change things?

There is no friction between the airplane and the ground. So it is the tension of the cable that sets it into motion. The cable has to be pulled, no tension otherwise. The man pulls the cable, the cable pulls back the man. The man exerts a backward force on the ground, the ground pushes the man forward. This force can not exceed μmg.
The resultant of the forward force and the tension pulling the man backward is equal to the mass of the man multiplied by the common acceleration of man and airplane .

ehild
 
There is no friction between the airplane and the ground. So it is the tension of the cable that sets it into motion. The cable has to be pulled, no tension otherwise. The man pulls the cable, the cable pulls back the man. The man exerts a backward force on the ground, the ground pushes the man forward. This force can not exceed μmg.
The resultant of the forward force and the tension pulling the man backward is equal to the mass of the man multiplied by the common acceleration of man and airplane .
I don't see why the plane and man cannot be considered a single system. Tension is treated as an internal force in this case and irrelevant, it just seems simpler to me.
 
bulbasaur88 said:
if anyone attempts this problem let me kno if u get ~ F = 0.49979 N thanks

What is F? What kind of force? The problem asked the maximum acceleration.

ehild
 
Yuqing said:
I don't see why the plane and man cannot be considered a single system. Tension is treated as an internal force in this case and irrelevant, it just seems simpler to me.
Yes, the plane and man can considered a single system, and the force of friction on the man is the external force, the internal ones cancelling out. But it is easier to understand and is no harm to draw free body diagrams, collecting all the forces on the individual masses.

ehild
 

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