Can a microwave carry more energy than a gamma-ray wave?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of energy carried by microwaves and gamma-ray waves, focusing on the relationship between frequency, amplitude, and the total energy of electromagnetic waves. Participants explore theoretical limits and practical implications of energy transfer in different types of waves.

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  • Some participants assert that for electromagnetic waves, both frequency and amplitude contribute to the total energy, suggesting that it is possible to create a microwave with high amplitude to match the energy of lower amplitude gamma-ray waves.
  • Others question whether the effects on a target would differ when exposed to high amplitude microwaves versus low amplitude gamma-rays, despite both carrying the same energy.
  • One participant notes that while microwaves can carry significant energy, they emphasize that the photoelectric effect does not occur with microwaves, which may influence the interaction with materials.
  • Another participant claims that microwaves produced by typical microwave ovens can have more energy than gamma rays, attributing this to the photon creation process in gamma-ray production.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of energy transfer between microwaves and gamma rays, particularly regarding the effects on targets and the relevance of the photoelectric effect. No consensus is reached on the limits of energy equivalence between these types of waves.

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Participants discuss the theoretical aspects of energy equivalence without resolving the complexities of photon interactions and the specific conditions under which different effects may occur.

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Speaking about single photons, the shorter the wavelength (or the higher the frequency) the more energy the wave carries.

But for "real life EM waves", next to the frequency there is also the amplitude, the number of photons making the wave. Given 2 waves of the same frequency, the bigger the amplitude the more energy the wave carries.

So we can trade the total energy of the wave. We may lower the frequency but increase the amplitude so the overall energy of the wave will be the same.

Are there any limits to this? Could we for example create a microwave but of such high amplitude that it would carry the same energy as a low amplitude X-ray or even gamma-ray wave?
 
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Gerinski said:
Speaking about single photons, the shorter the wavelength (or the higher the frequency) the more energy the wave carries.

But for "real life EM waves", next to the frequency there is also the amplitude, the number of photons making the wave. Given 2 waves of the same frequency, the bigger the amplitude the more energy the wave carries.

So we can trade the total energy of the wave. We may lower the frequency but increase the amplitude so the overall energy of the wave will be the same.

Are there any limits to this? Could we for example create a microwave but of such high amplitude that it would carry the same energy as a low amplitude X-ray or even gamma-ray wave?
Yes, you can. Your analysis is correct.
The photoelectric effect has no relevance to the OP question.
 
nasu said:
Yes, you can. Your analysis is correct.
The photoelectric effect has no relevance to the OP question.

Thanks. Are there any significant effects related to this. For example, let's say we take a certain target and we fire 2 waves at it (in separate experiments), one is a very high amplitude microwave and one is a low amplitude gamma-ray, both of them carrying the same energy. Will the effect on the target be different, and why?
 
It may. Here come into play the effects mentioned by previous poster. No matter how much energy carries the microwave, there will be no photoelectric effect.
But if you want to heat your food, microwaves will do better.
 
Gerinski said:
Are there any limits to this? Could we for example create a microwave but of such high amplitude that it would carry the same energy as a low amplitude X-ray or even gamma-ray wave?

The microwaves produced by your microwave oven typically have FAR more energy than even extremely high gamma rays. The reason for this is that although gamma rays have very high energies per photon, their method of creation usually only creates one or two photons at a time, so the total energy is very low.
 

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