Can a Non-Self-Adjoint Element Have a Real Spectrum?

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In a C*-algebra, a non-self-adjoint element can indeed have a real spectrum, as illustrated by a specific 2x2 matrix example. The matrix x = [[a, 1], [0, b]] has a spectrum consisting of the real numbers a and b, despite not being self-adjoint. The discussion also touches on the complexities of eigenvalues in real (unsymmetric) matrices and the challenges in making general statements about them. Additionally, participants discuss email notification settings for thread responses, highlighting user preferences for managing notifications. The conversation emphasizes the nuances of spectral theory in the context of non-self-adjoint operators.
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Let X be a C^*-algebra. I know that if x\in X is self-adjoint, then its spectrum is real, \sigma(x)\subset\mathbb{R}. I haven't seen a claim about the converse, but it seems difficult to come up with a counter example for it. My question is, that is it possible, that some x\in X has a real spectrum, but still x^*\neq x?
 
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jostpuur said:
My question is, that is it possible, that some x\in X has a real spectrum, but still x^*\neq x?
Yes it is. Take for instance the 2x2 matrix (so X=M_2(\mathbb{C}))

x = \begin{pmatrix}a & 1 \\ 0 & b\end{pmatrix},

where a and b are any real numbers. The spectrum of x is {a,b} but x is not selfadjoint.
 
I see.

(hmhmhmh... I didn't receive mail notification of your response...)
 
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I am facing the same problem (see https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=257751)

On the internet I found a reference, however I don't have acces to it:
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0736116"

In general you can not say anything about the eigenvalues of a real (unsymmetric) matrix. However, if you can write your matrix as a product of matrices then analyzing them you may say something about the eigenvalues of the big matrix.

I put here two articles, maybe you will find them usefull.
 

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But isn't the subscribing automatic, so that one has to unsubscribe a thread if one doesn't want notifications. I didn't do anything with thread tools, and I got the notification of your post now.

There is a non-zero probability for the possibility, that I casually destroyed the first notification without later remembering it. I cannot know it for sure, of course... I was merely mentioning the remark anyway.
 
When you initially join this forum you are offered the option of automatic "subscription" or not. I chose not because I don't want an e-mail everytime someone responds to one of the threads I responded to. I can't delete all those e-mails AND respond to questions!
 

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