Can a nontrivial quotient space of R be homeomorphic to R?

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The discussion centers on the properties of quotient spaces of ℝ under various equivalence relations, specifically exploring whether a nontrivial quotient space can be homeomorphic to ℝ. Participants examine different conditions on equivalence relations and their implications for the structure of the resulting quotient spaces.

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  • One participant suggests that intuitively, quotient spaces should be smaller than the original space, but provides examples where quotient spaces of ℝ can be homeomorphic to ℝ by gluing points together.
  • Another participant references a theorem stating that a closed (or open) continuous surjection defines a quotient map, proposing a specific function, f(x) = x sin(x), as a potential example of such a surjection.
  • A participant questions the possibility of having a homeomorphic quotient space under a specific additional condition on the equivalence relation, suggesting that it may be impossible.
  • Another participant agrees with the impossibility under the additional condition and begins to contemplate a proof.
  • One participant argues that with the additional constraint, the set of image points with more than one origin cannot be uncountable, referencing the separability of ℝ and the limitations on open intervals.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a nontrivial quotient space of ℝ can be homeomorphic to ℝ. While some propose specific functions and conditions, others challenge these ideas, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of equivalence relations and the properties of quotient spaces, which may not be fully explored or defined. The implications of separability and the structure of open intervals are also noted but not conclusively resolved.

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Intuitively, one would assume that the quotient space of a topological space under an equivalence relation would always be smaller than the original space. It turns out this is not remotely true. I'm specifically interested in quotient spaces of ℝ (under the standard topology).

We can easily make a quotient space of ℝ be homeomorphic to ℝ, for instance be gluing all the points in an interval into a single point. We can even glue infinitely many intervals into points, and still get a quotient space homeomorphic to ℝ. But my question is this: let us call an equivalence relation "nontrivial" if every equivalence class has at least two elements. Then does there exist a nontrivial equivalence relation on ℝ such that the quotient space is homeomorphic to ℝ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
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There is a theorem that if ##f:X\rightarrow Y## is a closed (or open) continuous surjection, then it is a quotient map. So if we define for ##x,y\in X## the following equivalence relation

x\sim y~\Leftrightarrow ~ f(x)=f(y)

then we have that ##Y=X/\sim##.

So if we succeed to find a closed (or open) continuous surjection ##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}##, then we will have found an equivalence relation such that its quptient is ##\mathbb{R}##.

I think that the following

f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}:x\rightarrow x\sin(x)

is a closed and continuous surjection. So this would be an example.
 
Thanks micromass. What if we imposed an additional condition on the equivalence relation: if a<b<c and a~c, then a~b. Under that condition, it's impossible to have the quotient space be homeomorphic to ℝ, right?
 
lugita15 said:
Thanks micromass. What if we imposed an additional condition on the equivalence relation: if a<b<c and a~c, then a~b. Under that condition, it's impossible to have the quotient space be homeomorphic to ℝ, right?

Yeah, I think it should impossible then. But let me think of a proof...
 
With the additional constraint, the set of image points with more than one origin cannot be uncountable, since each preimage contains an open interval. From separability of \mathbb{R} there is no uncountable set of pairwise disjoint open intervals.
 

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