Orion1
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Is this identity true?
Identity:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} x^n = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{(x + h)^n - x^n}{h} = nx^{n-1}[/tex]
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The discussion revolves around the validity of certain mathematical identities and the derivation of the derivative of the natural logarithm function. Participants explore the implications of these identities, the properties of logarithmic and exponential functions, and the challenges of proving certain limits and properties without circular reasoning.
Participants express differing views on the validity of certain proofs and the assumptions underlying them. There is no consensus on the best approach to proving the properties of logarithmic and exponential functions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the circularity of some arguments.
Participants note that some properties and limits are typically derived using derivative formulas, which raises questions about the independence of these proofs. The discussion highlights the complexity of establishing foundational concepts in calculus without relying on established results.
Orion1 said:Is this identity true?
Identity:
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} x^n = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{(x + h)^n - x^n}{h} = nx^{n-1}[/tex]
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benorin said:Sure it's true, for non-negative integer n. Even for all [itex]n\neq -1[/itex].
Yes, it is.Orion1 said:Is it possible to solve the limit part of this equation in a classical way to produce the solution?
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} (\ln x) = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{\ln(x + h) - \ln x}{h}[/tex]
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benorin said:Sure it's true, for non-negative integer n. Even for all [itex]n\neq -1[/itex].
mathwonk said:how do you prove that limit without knowing any derivative formulas for ln or exp?
agreed for integer nSince we have:
If [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} f(x) = L[/tex] then [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} f(x) ^ n = L ^ n[/tex] (n is some constant).
no, you can't say that. how did you go from integer n to k in R?We then can show that:
[tex]e ^ x = \lim_{k \rightarrow \infty} \left( 1 + \frac{x}{k} \right) ^ k, \ k \in \mathbb{R}[/tex]
From here, my book assumes that ex is continuous, and is increasing (since e > 1). (?)
They state that based on the fact that if a > 1 Then ax is increasing. However, they don't prove that fact. They say that it's generally accepted! (?)
I think I need to consult my maths teacher about this.
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So I think about some other way:
We can prove that:
(xa)' = axa - 1, for all a in the reals.
It would be nice if you can show me your book's definition of e. And how can they prove some log and exp's properties...
And may I know the name of the book?
matt grime said:Oh, and log(x) is (equivalent to being defined as) the integral from 1 to x of 1/t dt. You can prove everything you want to about logs from that definition, by the way, ie that log(xy)=log(x)+log(y) and that log(x^r)=rlog(x), in particular that log(1/x)=-log(x)
Orion1 said:[tex]f'(1) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \ln(1 + x)^{\frac{1}{x}} = 1[/tex]
[tex]f'(1) = 1[/tex]
VietDao29 said:So I would like to ask you guys what books in English that teach us Calculus
benorin said:Orion1, I like what you have: very good. But I cannot figure how you got this:
[tex]f'(1) = \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \ln [(1 + x)^{\frac{1}{x}}] = 1[/tex]
[tex]f'(1) = 1[/tex]
matt grime said:exp(x) is the uique solution to f'=f f(0)=1, it exists and is well defined, it has powerseries we know and love.
In anycase, e=1+1+1/2!+1/3!+...
mathwonk said:benorin, your post #20 is wrong as stated, do you see why? hint consider the word "unique".