Can a Piezo Lighter Ignite Spray Packs for Tire Inflation?

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The discussion revolves around the use of a piezo lighter to ignite spray packs for tire inflation, particularly in the context of low-pressure tire techniques used in off-road driving. Participants share experiences, safety concerns, and technical details related to this method.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recount experiences with low tire pressures for better traction in snow and the challenges of reinflating tires that can come off their rims.
  • One participant mentions a technique involving a squirt of petrol to pop the tire back onto the bead, referencing a documentary and a video.
  • Concerns are raised about the pressure generated by the explosion, with estimates suggesting it could reach up to 8 bar (120 psi), depending on the fuel-air ratio.
  • Another participant describes using brute force and compressed air as an alternative to the explosive technique for beading tires.
  • Some participants express discomfort with the explosive method, labeling it as "scary" and emphasizing its use only in emergencies.
  • One participant shares a personal experience of using the technique multiple times, noting a rare incident where it caused damage to an old tire.
  • Discussion includes the combustion products of the fuel used, with one participant providing a chemical equation and discussing the implications for tire pressure post-combustion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the safety and effectiveness of using a piezo lighter with spray packs. While some share successful experiences, others highlight the risks and potential for damage, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on the best practices for this technique.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence on specific conditions, such as the type of fuel used and the age of the tire, which may affect the outcomes of the explosive technique. There are also mentions of varying experiences with the method, suggesting that results may differ based on individual circumstances.

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I first saw this years ago on a documentary about driving in Iceland. They lower the tyre pressures to get more traction in soft snow.
We’d already dropped the tyre pressures of our highly modified Toyota pickups from 30psi to just 3psi, flattening their sidewalls until their footprints were more than twice their normal width and three times their normal length.
The vehicles have on-board compressors for reinflation, but the squidgy tyres can get pulled off their rims, making reinflation difficult. (At least, that was true then: perhaps they've developed ways of preventing that now, since the above, more recent article, makes no mention of this.) A squirt of petrol (I think) and the tyre went back on with a bang, as in your video. I can't remember how they lit it, but rather them than me.
 
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They don't show the tire deflating after the gas cools.
 
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Same trick was shown in Top Gear's Polar Special.
 
256bits said:
They don't show the tire deflating after the gas cools.
This is just to pop the tyre onto the bead. Once there, you can inflate it with a small on-board compressor.
 
Guineafowl said:
This is just to pop the tyre onto the bead. Once there, you can inflate it with a small on-board compressor.
Quite right.
Just a couple of weeks ago I beaded a tire with brute force ( hammer and a thin shim for one bead , and compressed air by pushing down on the rim for the opposite bead ), rather than using the explosive technique.
 


So the thread title is a bit misleading because, if you have no compressor, you do have a problem.
 
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I don't even want that done on on my tires at all, except in an emergency to bead the tire.
Scary stuff.

The pressure within the tire due to explosion can go up to 8bar ( 120 psi ), ( depends on the actual fuel -air ratio ) but probably not since some of the gas would escape ( not sure how much in the milli-second combustion ) - even 5 bar ( 75 psi ) is double the rating for most car tires.

After the tire is set and cooling, the pressure within can drop to 2 or 3 psi, or even to a negative gauge pressure.
One combustion product is H2O, which can condense to a liquid.
Example:
Ethanol Stoichiometric C2H6O + 3 O2 + 12N2 → 2 CO2 + 3H2O + 12N2
--> a 1/16 increase in volume ( approx 1 psi )
Condensing of the H20
--> a 2/ 16 decrease in volume ( approx a 2psi negative pressure )

Non stoichiometric , excess fuel most likely, would give different results, probably in favour of a positive pressure for volatile fuels.
 
I have used the technique with different spray packs, many times on truck tyres.
Only once has it ripped the sidewall clean off the bead, and that was an old dry tyre.

I keep a long piezo lighter for a gas stove to ignite the spray.
It is an evil technique. Use it only when necessary.
Stand well clear, to the side. Take care.
 

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