Can A Single Photon Be Split Into 45 and 135 Degree Polarization?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of single photons in relation to polarizers oriented at 45 degrees and 135 degrees. Participants explore the implications of combining polarizers, the probabilities associated with photon polarization states, and the nature of superposition in quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants inquire whether there are polarizers that can effectively combine 45-degree and 135-degree orientations for single photons, questioning the feasibility of such a configuration.
  • There is a discussion about the probability of a vertically polarized (V) photon passing through a 45-degree polarizer and the implications for its behavior when tested against a 135-degree polarizer.
  • Some participants propose that a circularly polarized photon may exist in a superposition of 45-degree and 135-degree polarizations, raising questions about the characteristics of a polarizer that could allow all photons in that superposition to pass.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the superposition principle, with some arguing that combining 45-degree and 135-degree polarizers would not transmit light as expected, potentially violating this principle.
  • There are conflicting views on whether a photon that fails a 45-degree test would have a guaranteed probability of passing a 135-degree polarizer or if it would retain a 1/2 probability of passing.
  • Some participants suggest that the V polarization is inherently a superposition of 45-degree and 135-degree states, while others express uncertainty about the implications of this superposition in practical scenarios.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of photons in relation to the polarizers, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the key questions posed.

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Participants note limitations in their understanding of the implications of superposition and the behavior of photons when interacting with polarizers, indicating that assumptions about the nature of polarization may vary.

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Really two questions:

1. In the Do-It-Yourself Quantum Eraser article written by Rachel Hillmer and Paul Kwiat (published in Scientific American, May 2007), on page 93 there are instructions to cut in half horizontally a D-orientated (45 degrees clockwise from V), and an A-orientated (45 degrees counterclockwise from V), polariser and join them together. Are there such polarisers that are orientated as the final product of doing the above, but are applicable to a single photon passing through it (so either the photon will be 45 degrees polarised, or 135 degrees polarised)?

2. If a V polarised photon is tested in the polariser described above, because it has 1/2 probability of passing or failing the 45 degree, and 135 degree, tests, if it fails the 45 degree polariser, is it a candidate of now having probability 1 of passing the 135 degree polariser, or still 1/2 probability of passing the 135 degree polariser?
 
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Would a circularly polarised photon be in a superposition of 45 degree and 135 degree polarisation? Is there a polariser that let's through all the photons in that superposition? What would the probabilites of V and H polarised photons passing/failing that polariser be?
 
I guess I should read that article, because it seems to me that "putting together" 45 and 135 degree polarizers results in something that transmits no light at all. That is certainly true if the light first encounters one polarizer and then the other, but maybe there's some way to encounter both "at the same time"-- but that sounds like it would have to be like having no polarizer at all. I can't see any way to get something that transmits either 45 or 135 degree polarization, and nothing else. It would violate the superposition principle-- V polarization is an equal superposition of 45 and 135, so if 45 passes, and 135 passes, then V would have to pass also. One might imagine inducing a relative phase shift between 45 and 135, but that would only shift V into elliptical polarization, it wouldn't give only 45 or 135 and nothing else.

On that last question, circular polarization can be a superposition of 45 and 135-- if there is a pi/2 phase difference between the two polarizations. The superposition yields V if there is a 0 phase difference between them. But as far as I know, when I think of a polarizer I think of something that still invokes the principle of superposition, not some nonlinear optics device that does not support that principle. They must be talking about something more complicated than what I'm imagining.
 
Ken G said:
I can't see any way to get something that transmits either 45 or 135 degree polarization, and nothing else. It would violate the superposition principle-- V polarization is an equal superposition of 45 and 135, so if 45 passes, and 135 passes, then V would have to pass also.

If a photon is in V polarisation, it has 1/2 probability for passing a 45 degree test. But in saying that, it also has 1/2 probability for failing the test, and if it fails (and we could somehow deflect the photon onto another path), is it guaranteed that it'll pass a 135 degree polariser? Or will it maintain its V polarisation and have 1/2 probability of going through a 135 degree polariser?
 
StevieTNZ said:
1. In the Do-It-Yourself Quantum Eraser article written by Rachel Hillmer and Paul Kwiat (published in Scientific American, May 2007), on page 93 there are instructions to cut in half horizontally a D-orientated (45 degrees clockwise from V), and an A-orientated (45 degrees counterclockwise from V), polariser and join them together. Are there such polarisers that are orientated as the final product of doing the above, but are applicable to a single photon passing through it (so either the photon will be 45 degrees polarised, or 135 degrees polarised)?

2. If a V polarised photon is tested in the polariser described above, because it has 1/2 probability of passing or failing the 45 degree, and 135 degree, tests, if it fails the 45 degree polariser, is it a candidate of now having probability 1 of passing the 135 degree polariser, or still 1/2 probability of passing the 135 degree polariser?

I suppose you mean this article: Do-It-Yourself Quantum Eraser

1. In order to have a 45° polarizer just take your polarizer sheet and rotate it provided you know its axis. Do the same for -45°=135°. Bring them close together and attach the wire between them. On a side note that angle is not important. It is only important that the left and right polarizer are oriented orthogonal to each other (see here). When you shine your laser on the wire a single photon will pass both sides and is in a superposition of -45° and +45° polarization.

2. The V polarized photon will be in a superposition of both 45° and 135° polarization (see above).
 
StevieTNZ said:
If a photon is in V polarisation, it has 1/2 probability for passing a 45 degree test. But in saying that, it also has 1/2 probability for failing the test, and if it fails (and we could somehow deflect the photon onto another path), is it guaranteed that it'll pass a 135 degree polariser?
Yes, such a "test" will normally establish the polarization to be 135. It might depend on how you do it, but that would be the standard expectation AFAIK.
Or will it maintain its V polarisation and have 1/2 probability of going through a 135 degree polariser?
If the photon polarization is determined to be linear along 135, then it is no longer V. Note also that V is always a superposition of 45 and 135, you don't need to do anything to it to get that.
 
Edgardo said:
I suppose you mean this article: Do-It-Yourself Quantum Eraser

1. In order to have a 45° polarizer just take your polarizer sheet and rotate it provided you know its axis. Do the same for -45°=135°. Bring them close together and attach the wire between them. On a side note that angle is not important. It is only important that the left and right polarizer are oriented orthogonal to each other (see here). When you shine your laser on the wire a single photon will pass both sides and is in a superposition of -45° and +45° polarization.

2. The V polarized photon will be in a superposition of both 45° and 135° polarization (see above).

After thinking about it again I think my answer is wrong: Behind the double slit with polarization sheets the photon is not in a superposition of -45° and +45°. Rather it has collapsed to -45° or +45°.
(Though I am not sure, sorry! :redface:)
 
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