Can a Single-Stage Spacecraft Exit Earth's Atmosphere?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of a single-stage spacecraft exiting Earth's atmosphere, particularly in the context of writing a science fiction story. Participants explore current technological capabilities, historical developments, and theoretical models related to space travel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that modern rocket designs can exit the atmosphere without significant issues, provided there are no structural failures.
  • Others argue that current technology necessitates multi-stage rockets due to the challenges of carrying the required fuel and overcoming gravitational forces.
  • There is mention of a vehicle designed by Allen Bond that utilizes an air-breathing engine, which could potentially allow for a single-stage launch by reducing the amount of oxygen needed to be carried.
  • Some participants reference historical advancements, noting that significant progress in atmospheric exit was made during the development of the V-2 rocket by the Nazis.
  • There is a suggestion that while single-stage vehicles are theoretically possible, they have not yet been successfully prototyped, leading to a preference for multi-stage designs in practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the viability of single-stage spacecraft, with some asserting that it is feasible while others maintain that multi-stage rockets are the more practical solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the current status of single-stage spacecraft development.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight logistical challenges rather than scientific ones in exiting the atmosphere. There is also a reference to historical context that may influence current understanding and technological development.

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Hey there! My name is Laurel, and I'm working on a short story with a friend about, among other thing, space travel. I've just got some questions about exiting the atmosphere in order to fly a spaceship around looking for other stuff. I don't want you to feel you have to over simplify things, because I can use google to figure out terms and whatnot, but if it makes it easier for you, by all means.
Thanks so much!
 
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As for exiting the atmosphere that doesn't present any problem for modern designs of rocket.
The vehicle is only in the atmosphere for 2 or 3 minutes, and as long as there are no structural failures the atmosphere has very little effect on it's flight.
If there are structural failures then the rocket is probably doomed anyway whether it's in the atmosphere or not. but atmosphere will cause it to disintegrate more quickly.
 
Drakkith said:
I've moved the thread to the Writing and World Building forum. :smile:

Thanks! I didn't realize there was one, lol.
 
If you are working with current technology then you need a rocket with a large amount of fuel and multiple stages. Currently no one has figured out how to do a single stage craft that can leave the atmosphere. So you are talking a large undertaking by a significant crew of professionals and a massive controlled explosion :) Unless you introduce future or alien tech, there would be no discreet way for your characters to lift off. Not sure if that is a feature of your story or not. As far as the speeds involved, your craft would need to reach 11 kilometers a second or a little over 40,000 kilometers an hour. This would get them free of our orbit and off into space. if they just want to reach low Earth orbit and cruise around, maybe buzz the International space station then they only need to get there ship up to almost 8 kilometers a second or just under 28000 kilometers an hour.
 
DHF said:
Currently no one has figured out how to do a single stage craft that can leave the atmosphere.

Oh we know how to do it. It's just way easier and cheaper to use a multi-stage rocket since you don't have to carry a huge amount of dead weight into orbit (and/or beyond). :biggrin:
 
Drakkith said:
Oh we know how to do it. It's just way easier and cheaper to use a multi-stage rocket since you don't have to carry a huge amount of dead weight into orbit (and/or beyond). :biggrin:
I wasn't aware anyone had build a successful prototype yet. I know Allen Bond has been working on it for decades but I thought he was still working out the bugs.
 
DHF said:
I wasn't aware anyone had build a successful prototype yet. I know Allen Bond has been working on it for decades but I thought he was still working out the bugs.

Maybe I misunderstood you. Are you referring to a vehicle which is essentially a plane-rocket hybrid?
 
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Drakkith said:
Maybe I misunderstood you. Are you referring to a vehicle which is essentially a plane-rocket hybrid?
Yep, I was. Bond's model uses an air breathing engine so it can greatly reduce the amount of O2 it has to carry into orbit.
 
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As said before, getting through the atmosphere isn't much issue anymore. There are logistical issues, but not scientific ones. Most of the bugs were worked out by the Nazis. A history of the V-2 and Wernher von Braun (who came to the US after WWII) might be interesting to you.
 
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DHF said:
Currently no one has figured out how to do a single stage craft that can leave the atmosphere.
Uh, the Germans did it in the 1940's
 

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