Can a Van De Graaff Generator Create Sparks Inside Its Dome?

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The discussion revolves around the potential for a Van De Graaff generator to create sparks inside its dome, focusing on the electrical properties of the dome and the implications of grounding and charge distribution. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to electrostatics and capacitor behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether running a wire from the outside to the inside of the dome could create a spark inside.
  • Another participant argues that with a conducting connection, both parts would be at the same potential, thus no spark would occur.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the dome is at a higher potential than the belt that charges it, implying a potential for sparks.
  • Concerns are raised about the point where charges are extracted, noting that neglecting tiny resistances and current flow may affect the outcome.
  • There is a question regarding whether a capacitor would charge if it and the ground are shielded from the belt and rotor.
  • A participant challenges the feasibility of establishing a ground connection in the middle of the dome, suggesting that any cable taken out would lead to charging.
  • Clarification is provided that the inside of the dome is considered neutral or at no potential, though this is contested by another participant who states it has no electric field unless grounded.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the potential for sparks inside the dome and the implications of grounding and charge distribution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of potential and electric fields within the dome.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention assumptions about the behavior of charges and the effects of grounding, but these assumptions are not fully explored or agreed upon. The discussion also highlights the complexity of defining electric potential and fields in this context.

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If you run a wire from the outside surface of the dome to the inside of the same dome, would it be possible to make a spark to the inside surface of the same dome?
 
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With a conducting connection between the two parts? No. They will be at the same potential.
 
How come? The dome is at a higher potential than the belt that's charging it.
 
Not at the point where the charges are extracted (neglecting the tiny resistances and current flow in the material).
 
Okay, will this capacitor charge? The cap and ground are shielded from the belt and rotor.
 

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How do you get a ground connection in the middle? If you take a cable out, it will charge.
 
I just didn't want to clutter the diagram; but yes, a cable is going outside the dome to ground.

I was always told that the inside of the dome is neutral or had no potential.
 
It has no electric field - unless you add a connection to ground. That's not the same as no potential (which does not exist anyway - a potential can be zero but it cannot be nonexistent).
 
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