Can All Elements of SL(2) Be Expressed as a Single Exponential?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the special linear group SL(2) and the representation of certain matrices as exponentials. The original poster questions how a specific matrix can be expressed as a product of two exponentials rather than a single exponential, and whether this indicates a limitation of SL(2) as a Lie group.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of connectedness in Lie groups and the implications of certain elements not being expressible as single exponentials. There is discussion about the identity component of the group and the nature of the matrix in question.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of connectedness and the implications of the Campbell-Hausdorff relation. Some express concerns about the convergence of series of commutators and the conditions under which the BCH formula applies, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and properties of Lie groups, particularly regarding connectedness and the representation of elements as exponentials. The discussion highlights the distinction between connected and simply connected groups, as well as the limitations of the BCH formula in this context.

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Prove that in SL(2) group the matrix ## \begin{pmatrix} -1 & \lambda \\ 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix} ## can not be presented as a single exponentail but instead as product of two exponentials of ##sl(2)## algebra. ##\lambda \in \mathbb{R} ##

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I don't understand how an element of Lie group cannot be presented by a single exponential. Does this mean that SL(2) is not a Lie group? or a Lie group that has some elements that cannot be cast into exponential form? So Lie group with no exponential form for some elements?

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stuck with definitions.
 
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The elements of a Lie group that can be written as ## \exp(\alpha^a t_a)##, where ##t_a## are generators of the Lie algebra and ##\alpha^a## are some parameters, are said to be the "identity component" of the Lie group, or sometimes "connected component" (meaning component connected to the identity). This is because we smoothly recover the identity element (##\mathbb{1}##) as we take the ##\alpha^a \rightarrow 0 ##. We can think of this adjustment of parameters as defining a path in the Lie group viewed as a topological space. Sometimes we can connect all elements of the group to the identity in this way, in which case the group is called connected. Often, however, the group is composed of disconnected components.

SL(2) is an example of a Lie group that is not connected as a topological space. The element you write down is one that is not connected to the identity element by a smooth deformation of the parameter ##\lambda##.
 
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fzero said:
SL(2) is an example of a Lie group that is not simply connected as a topological space. The element you write down is one that is not connected to the identity element by a smooth deformation of the parameter ##\lambda##.

It is certainly not simply connected, but I think you mean just connected in this case. Simple connectivity is unrelated to surjectivity of the exponential.
 
Kreizhn said:
It is certainly not simply connected, but I think you mean just connected in this case. Simple connectivity is unrelated to surjectivity of the exponential.

Yes, I didn't mean simply connected. Thanks.
 
What does concern me is that this matrix can be presented as product of two exponentials and then with Campbell-Hausdorff relation merged into one, the commutators should yield something because Lie algebra is closed, so we would get one exponential.

Does this mean that the series of commutators does not converge or what? It seems to be a paradox, I am missing something here apparently.
 
LayMuon said:
What does concern me is that this matrix can be presented as product of two exponentials and then with Campbell-Hausdorff relation merged into one, the commutators should yield something because Lie algebra is closed, so we would get one exponential.

Does this mean that the series of commutators does not converge or what? It seems to be a paradox, I am missing something here apparently.

You can write the matrix down in the form ##e^X e^Y## with ##Y## in the Lie algebra sl(2), but ##X## is not in the Lie algebra. I could probably be more specific if you wrote down the expression yourself. But you should try to convince yourself of my claim in the meantime.
 
There is also some subtlety in the convergence of the BCH formula. It does not generally converge on a global scale. A quick glance at this paper should hopefully convince you of that.

I believe BCH always converges in connected, simply connected groups, though that does not apply in this case.
 

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