Prove that the roots of unity is a cyclic group

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The discussion revolves around the group of roots of unity, specifically the set of complex numbers that satisfy the equation \( z^n = 1 \) for some integer \( n \geq 1 \). Participants are tasked with demonstrating that this set forms a cyclic group under multiplication.

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  • Some participants suggest expressing the elements of the group in exponential form to show that one element can generate all others. Others question the validity of the original claim regarding the cyclic nature of the group and propose a more precise formulation involving subgroups of specific orders.

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The conversation is exploring various interpretations of the problem and the nature of the group in question. Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach proving subgroup properties, while others are examining the implications of finite generation on the overall structure of the group.

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There is ongoing discussion about the uniqueness of subgroups of a given order and the implications of finite generation on the size of the group. Participants are also considering the distinction between finite and infinite groups in this context.

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Homework Statement


Let ##\mu=\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1 \text{ for some integer }n \geq 1\}##. Show that ##\mu = \langle z \rangle## for some ##z \in \mu##.

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My thought would be just to write out all of the elements of ##\mu## in exponential form and show that ##e^{\frac{2 \pi i}{n}}## generates all of the other elements. Would this be the best way to do this?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Let ##\mu=\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1 \text{ for some integer }n \geq 1\}##. Show that ##\mu = \langle z \rangle## for some ##z \in \mu##.

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The Attempt at a Solution


My thought would be just to write out all of the elements of ##\mu## in exponential form and show that ##e^{\frac{2 \pi i}{n}}## generates all of the other elements. Would this be the best way to do this?

Yes.
 
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The claim is actually false as given. The usual interpretation of
$$\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1 \text{ for some integer }n \geq 1\}$$
is
$$\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid \exists n\in \mathbb N \smallsetminus \{0\}\ :\ z^n = 1\}$$
which is
$$\{e^{\frac{2\pi k i }n} \mid n,k\in \mathbb Z \wedge 0\le k < n\}$$
which I am pretty sure is not cyclic, as the group generated by ##e^{\frac{2 \pi k i}n}## does not contain ##e^{\frac{2 \pi i}{2n}}##.

I suspect what they meant to say was :

"For each ##n\in \mathbb N\smallsetminus \{0\}##, define ##\mu_n =
\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1\}##. Show that for every ##n##, ##\mu_n## is cyclic."

To prove the second one, you don't need to write out all the elements. Instead, just show that all elements are of the form
##e^{\frac{2\pi k i }n}## where ##0\le k < n##. Then show that each of those elements can be expressed as a power of ##e^{\frac{2\pi i }n}##.
 
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andrewkirk said:
The claim is actually false as given. The usual interpretation of
$$\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1 \text{ for some integer }n \geq 1\}$$
is
$$\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid \exists n\in \mathbb N \smallsetminus \{0\}\ :\ z^n = 1\}$$
which is
$$\{e^{\frac{2\pi k i }n} \mid n,k\in \mathbb Z \wedge 0\le k < n\}$$
which I am pretty sure is not cyclic, as the group generated by ##e^{\frac{2 \pi k i}n}## does not contain ##e^{\frac{2 \pi i}{2n}}##.

I suspect what they meant to say was :

"For each ##n\in \mathbb N\smallsetminus \{0\}##, define ##\mu_n =
\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^n = 1\}##. Show that for every ##n##, ##\mu_n## is cyclic."

To prove the second one, you don't need to write out all the elements. Instead, just show that all elements are of the form
##e^{\frac{2\pi k i }n}## where ##0\le k < n##. Then show that each of those elements can be expressed as a power of ##e^{\frac{2\pi i }n}##.
Your interpretation of the problem is correct. It is not a cyclic group. Actually what I need to show is this:
Prove that for each integer ##m \geq 1##, there is a unique subgroup ##H_m\leq \mu## with ##|H_m|=m## and that ##H_m## is cyclic.

It seems rather easy to show there exists one. Let ##\mu_m =\{z\in \mathbb{C} \setminus \{0\} \mid z^m = 1\}##. We can easily show that this is a cyclic subgroup of order ##m##. My problem is with the uniqueness requirement. What does it mean to show that ##\mu_m## is unique?
 
You have to show that if ##H_m## is a subgroup of order m then ##H_m=\mu_m##.

Start by showing that any ##g\in H_m## must satisfy ##g^m=1##.
 
andrewkirk said:
You have to show that if ##H_m## is a subgroup of order m then ##H_m=\mu_m##.

Start by showing that any ##g\in H_m## must satisfy ##g^m=1##.
Well, since ##|H_m|=m##, if ##g \in H_m## then ##g^m=1## since m is a multiple of the order of ##g##. So ##g \in \mu_m##. Does this show that ##H_m \subseteq \mu_m##? And since ##|H_m|=m=\mu_m##, we have ##H_m = \mu_m##?
 
Yes, that is correct.
 
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andrewkirk said:
Yes, that is correct.
I think I have only one more question. I want to show that if ##H \le \mu## is finitely generated, then ##H## is finite. Here is my idea. Let ##H## be an arbitrary subgroup of ##\mu## that is finitely generated. So ##H=\langle z_1,z_2, \dots, z_k\rangle##. We can only multiply elements in the generating set and powers of those elements in a finite number of ways, since each ##z## in the generating set has a finite order. But whenever we multiply any combination of elements, we get another element of finite order. Hence the size of ##H## is finite.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
We can only multiply elements in the generating set and powers of those elements in a finite number of ways, since each ##z## in the generating set has a finite order.
This is correct, but a little vague, and doesn't lead directly to the result.

To put it more compactly, we can observe that, since the group is abelian and each generator has finite order, every element of $H$ can be expressed as
$$\prod_{j=1}^k z_j^{r_j}$$
for some ##k##-tuple ##r_1,...,r_k## such that ##\forall j:\ 0\le r_j <O_j##, where ##O_j## is the order of ##z_j##.
Then an upper bound for the number of elements is
$$\prod_{j=1}^k O_j$$
 
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andrewkirk said:
This is correct, but a little vague, and doesn't lead directly to the result.

To put it more compactly, we can observe that, since the group is abelian and each generator has finite order, every element of $H$ can be expressed as
$$\prod_{j=1}^k z_j^{r_j}$$
for some ##k##-tuple ##r_1,...,r_k## such that ##\forall j:\ 0\le r_j <O_j##, where ##O_j## is the order of ##z_j##.
Then an upper bound for the number of elements is
$$\prod_{j=1}^k O_j$$
Would this same argument show that ##\mu## is not finitely generated? For suppose it were. Then by the same argument there is an upper bound for the number of elements, so it is finite. But ##\mu## is not finite, since there are infinitely many elements in ##\mu##. since ##\forall n \in \mathbb{N}##, ##e^{\frac{2 \pi}{n}i} \in \mu##.
 
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Yes that works for me.
 
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