Can Alternative Liquids Improve Solar Powered Steam Engines?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the exploration of alternative liquids, specifically ethanol, for use in solar-powered steam engines. Participants are examining the feasibility of using an azeotropic mixture of ethanol and water, as well as the implications of energy release during the condensation process. The scope includes theoretical considerations, potential designs, and safety concerns related to the use of combustible liquids.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using ethanol in a solar-powered steam engine, highlighting its boiling point and the potential for an azeotropic mixture with water to enhance efficiency.
  • The idea of utilizing an absorption cycle or vapor power cycle is introduced as an alternative to the traditional Rankine cycle, which may eliminate the need for a pump.
  • Concerns are raised about the exothermic reaction when water mixes with ethanol and whether the energy released could aid in re-vaporizing ethanol in the condenser.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the project, seeking clarification on whether it is a personal, academic, or commercial endeavor.
  • A participant expresses significant safety concerns regarding the use of pressurized and heated combustible gases, emphasizing the risks associated with leaks and the potential for disasters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and safety of using alternative liquids in solar-powered steam engines. While some focus on the technical aspects and potential benefits, others highlight serious safety concerns, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the efficiency of azeotropic mixtures and the safety of using combustible liquids, which may depend on specific conditions and definitions that are not fully explored.

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Hey all...So i have this project, to use any other liquid apart from water in a solar powered steam engine.
At the moment i am still in research phase, and have been reading on quite a few liquids although i have been concentrating on ethanol, as it is readily available and has a BP of 78 degrees. So here is an idea that i thought of, rather than using a rankine cycle to use an absorption cycle or a vapour power cycle, where the need for a pump is eliminated. Ethanol when mixed with water at a ratio of 89 % to 11% forms an azeotrope, meaning the molecular ratios are unaffected by evaporation. So in the boiler (powered by the solar panel) the ethanol from the azeotrope mixture evaporates (at 78 degrees while the water is still in liquid form) and the pressurised vapour exorts energy to the turbine. The resulting low pressurised vapour passes to the condenser where it mixes with water at room temperature.

Now that is just an idea, and i need all u brainy people to help me out...
When water mixes with ethanol its an exothermic reaction and 777J/mol of energy is released, so can this energy released in the condeser be helpul to us? can it cause the ethanol to revapourise? Any improvements or suggestions to the design will also be appreciated, and thought on alternatives to ethanol :)

Btw i have viewed the previous thread on this as well :)
 
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What is the purpose of this project? Is it a personal project, a school project, a government contract to build a prototype? This is potentially a huge undertaking that doesn't have any easy answers.
 
Well its a university project, its related to one of my modules.. so I am trying to fetch ideas and professional opinions from every side :)
 
I have to weigh in about all the heated combustable gas engines. I have real concerns pressurizing and heating ethanol, propane, butane, and a vast list of others. The danger in my opinion, is off the chart. in theory, if the thing is perfectly sealed the risk is decreased, but even a minor leak can cause a disaster that can kill people. And as murphy always dictates, the experimenter will survive, so he can be sued relentlessly.

for gods sake, be careful, and remember no "energy solution engine" is useful if the above average moron can cause a disaster.

dr
 

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