Can anyone check my working on the friction upcoming test question

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The discussion revolves around concepts of friction, specifically the coefficient of static friction, and its application in problem-solving scenarios involving a skier and a ladder. Participants are examining the validity of answers related to frictional forces and their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the definitions and properties of static friction, questioning the correctness of selected answers. They explore different methods for calculating the coefficient of static friction in the context of a ladder problem, with some suggesting alternative approaches for clarity.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the skier problem's answer, indicating a potential error in the original poster's calculations. Others provide guidance on alternative methods for solving the ladder problem, suggesting that these may yield clearer results.

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The original poster's attempts at solutions are based on specific equations and assumptions about forces acting on the skier and the ladder, which are being scrutinized for accuracy. There is a lack of consensus on the correctness of the skier problem's answer, highlighting the need for further exploration of the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement


Question 1


Which statement is true of the coefficient of static friction?
Answer

It is the force resisting motion.

It is proportional to the static friction force.

It is a dimensionless quantity expressing the ratio of limiting friction to normal reaction.

It is the ratio of friction to normal reaction.

Question 2


The ratio of limiting friction to the normal reaction is known as
Answer

angle of friction.

angle of repose.

coefficient of static friction.

coefficient of kinetic friction.


Question 3


Which of the following statements is NOT true about friction?
Answer

Kinetic friction is larger than static friction.

Limiting static friction is dependent on normal reaction acting on the body.

Coefficient of friction denotes surface roughness of the bodies in contact.

Frictional force acts tangential to the surfaces in contact.

Problem sum

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1. 3rd option
2. 3rd option
3. 1st option.

Problem sums:

Where W is the skier's weight:
Force pressing skier agaist slope = W×Cosθ
Friction force in motion = 0.07×W×Cosθ ... (1)
Skier's weight component acting down the slope = W.Sinθ ... (2)
(1) and (2) are equal giving:
0.07×W×Cosθ = W.Sinθ from which:
Tanθ = 0.07 so that θ = arc-tan(0.07) = 4.0˚


Weight of ladder = 18×9.8 = 176.4 N
Weight of man = 90×9.8 = 882.0 N
Put the man at the top of the ladder
Vertical component of force between ladder and ground (normal force) =Fn= 174.6 + 882 = 1058.4 N
To find reaction of wall against the ladder take moments of all applied forces about bottom end of ladder:
(176.4×2 + 882×4).sin(30˚) = Rw×4.Cos(30˚) (Rw = reaction of wall)
Rw = (176.4×2 + 882×4).sin(30˚) / [4×Cos(30˚)]
(176.4×2 + 882×4).½ /(2.√3) = 560.2 N
The horizontal component of the reaction force between ladder and ground = Fh = Rw since all horizontal forces on the ladder must balance and there are only these two!
Necessary friction coefficient = Fh/Fn = 560.2/1058.4 = 0.529
 
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It all looks right to me.

You should note that in the second problem, you can more easily (in my opinion) retrieve the coefficient of static friction by taking moments about the top of the ladder instead of the bottom.

\sum M_{t} = 0 = W_{L}*(L/2)*sin(30) - F_{y}*L*sin(30) + F_{x}*L*cos(30)

\sum F_{y} = 0 = F_{y} - W_{L} - W_{M}

F_{x} = μF_{y}

where F_{y} and F_{x} act on the bottom of the ladder

Solving for F_{y} and F_{x} in the force and friction equations, them plugging into the moment equation, you can solve for μ more easily
 
It seem that the ski question answer may be wrong according to the result i get, any clue why?
 
cracktheegg said:
It seem that the ski question answer may be wrong according to the result i get, any clue why?

Looks ok to me...
 

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