Can anyone check this identity please?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of a mathematical identity involving the divergence of a second-order tensor formed by the outer product of a vector with itself. The context includes aspects of fluid mechanics and the Navier-Stokes equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the truth of the identity involving the divergence of the tensor formed by the vector V, suggesting that the components appear as operands of the nabla operator.
  • Another participant proposes a method to prove the identity by expressing the tensor as V\otimes V and applying the divergence operator.
  • A later reply indicates that the identity is not true unless the divergence of V is zero, noting that an additional term is required, which aligns with the participant's work in fluid mechanics.
  • Further discussion hints at the context of incompressible flow and the derivation of the vorticity equation from the Navier-Stokes equations.
  • One participant mentions working on a problem from a textbook that involves deducing the vorticity equation in two forms, one of which includes the Levi-Civita symbol.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the identity, with some asserting it is not true under certain conditions, while others are exploring the implications and methods of proof. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the identity's general applicability.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to assumptions about the divergence of the vector V and the specific conditions under which the identity may hold true.

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is this identity true?

V is a vector, so VV is a second order tensor

I have tried to prove this but the components of the tensor appear always as operands of the nabla.

Thanks!

Div(VV)=v.(Grad(V))
 
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The way to go about proving this is to write V\otimes V=V_{i}V_{j} and write the divergence as \partial^{i}(V_{i}V_{j})
 
I know now, thank you. Actually that "identity" es not true unless Div(v)=0, because another term is missing. However that fits perfectly since I am working with fluid mechanics.
Thanks again!
 
Incompressible flow?
 
yes, actually, I was trying to take the curl of the Navier-Stokes equation, to get the vorticity equation, a problem in Bird's transport phenomena, the book asks you to deduce it in two forms, the first one is the one I have already, the second one involves the Levi-Civita symbol and I'm currently working on it :)
 

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