Can anyone explain kers in formula one cars?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS) in Formula One cars, focusing on the differences between electric and flywheel systems, how they operate during braking, and the storage and release of energy. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of KERS without reaching a consensus on specific technical details.

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  • Some participants describe KERS as a system that recovers kinetic energy during braking, storing it for later use to provide additional power.
  • One participant explains that in electric KERS, an electric motor acts as a generator during braking, converting kinetic energy into electrical energy stored in batteries or supercapacitors.
  • Another participant notes that flywheel KERS involves spinning a flywheel to store energy, but the specifics of how this is achieved remain unclear.
  • There is a question about the mechanics of how the flywheel system operates, particularly how it can aid in braking and how the connection between the flywheel and the motor works.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the exact configurations and operational details of both electric and flywheel KERS systems, noting that proprietary information limits their understanding.

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Participants generally agree on the basic concept of KERS but express differing views and confusion regarding the specific mechanics of electric versus flywheel systems. No consensus is reached on the operational details or connections between components.

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Participants acknowledge that the specifics of KERS systems are closely guarded secrets, which contributes to the uncertainty and lack of detailed understanding in the discussion.

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can anyone explain kers in formula one cars?
like how it works on a mechanical level.
and the difference between flywheel and electrical kers.
 
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There is an electric motor attached to the gearbox, under braking the gearbox isn't being used to drive the wheels its being used to drive the motor as a generator.

In electrical systems this makes electricity stored in a battery/supercapacitor.
In flywheel systems it spins up a flywheel.

When they press the KERS boost button, this stored energy spins the electric motor attached to the hearbox to provide the extra power.
The exact specifics are abviously a closely gaurded secret, but this is basically how it works.
 
"A kinetic energy recovery system (KERS) is "a system that is designed to recover kinetic energy from the car during braking, store that energy and make it available to propel the car". Such a system is basically an efficient CVT gearbox joined to a flywheel that rotates when the cars undergo braking. Such systems are being developed for Formula One and they have been included in the FIA regulations in December 2006."

This was from Wikipedia, and the concept is very simple, it uses the conservation of angular momentum, since for a rotating wheel you have the energy:

E=1/2 I w^2

where E is the kinetic rotational energy, I is the moment of inertia, w is the angular momentum.

With this, you can upon breaking star rotating such a frictionless wheel and save the energy, and then restore it back ;)

Does this answer satisfy you? if not, ask more specifically so we can think of a better answer :)

Good luck :)
 
so the wheel is spinning, in electric kers when braking the wheel has to spin the generator which is a retarding force because it is working against the magnetic fields, and that's how it stores energy.
is that right?

with mechanical kers i get even more confused,
when braking the kers can't aid the braking can it?
the wheel is spinning slower how does this make the flywheel spin faster?
and when the energy is released, is the wheel just connected to the flywheel through a CVT where the ratio of the flywheel-speed to the wheel-speed is; low:high, and the wheel spins cause the flywheel is spinning?
 
The Williams KERS flywheel is just a storage device, it's still hooked up to an electric motor/generator connected to the gearbox.

With the flywheel system the generator spins the flywheel up to 100K RPM.

The specific details are sketch because its such a closely guarded secret.


You've got to remember in both systems en electric motor is the thing that is doing all the work. It's just the storage systems that are different.
 
oooh ok.
so how does the flywheel connect to the motor?
and iv been looking on the web and u can get answers for this kind of stuff its just I am too dumb to understand them :P
 
Well that's the question isn't it...

I can't find a jot of specific information about how its all connected together.
 

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