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The discussion centers on the role of local oscillators in RF transmitters and receivers, particularly in AM modulation. It is established that relaxation oscillators are predominantly used for AM modulation, while Hartley and Colpitts oscillators are common for generating sinewaves. The local oscillator's frequency is mixed with incoming signals to produce intermediate frequencies (IF), which simplifies processing. The conversation clarifies that local oscillators are primarily associated with receivers rather than transmitters, where audio modulation is applied directly to the final amplifier stage.

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Local oscillators that is used in RF transmitters for AM modulation.Any help is appreciated. Thanks !
 
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prs725 said:
Local oscillators that is used in RF transmitters for AM modulation.Any help is appreciated. Thanks !

Look up oscillator on Wikipedia. 99% of the oscillators used for AM modulation would be the "relaxation oscillator" type.
 
A local oscillator is usually mixed (through a multiply circuit) with the baseband signal. This creates an intermediate frequency (IF) that is easier to work with.
 
carlgrace said:
Look up oscillator on Wikipedia. 99% of the oscillators used for AM modulation would be the "relaxation oscillator" type.
Thank you !
 
Antiphon said:
A local oscillator is usually mixed (through a multiply circuit) with the baseband signal. This creates an intermediate frequency (IF) that is easier to work with.
Thank you !
 
carlgrace said:
Look up oscillator on Wikipedia. 99% of the oscillators used for AM modulation would be the "relaxation oscillator" type.

Relaxation oscillators do not produce continuous sinewaves.

Typical sinewave oscillators would be Hartley and Colpitts oscillators. These use tuned circuits with varying methods of connection to a transistor or FET.

Here is a Hartley oscillator. Ignore all the capacitors at left. These are just to get fine tuning of the oscillator.
Only one (say "Ct" ) is needed.

osc1fig4.gif


You can read the whole article that this circuit came from here:
http://www.hobbyprojects.com/H/hartley_oscillators.html

There is a link to this site:
http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect16.htm
which gives a summary of the different kinds of sinewave oscillators.
 
prs725 said:
Local oscillators that is used in RF transmitters for AM modulation.Any help is appreciated. Thanks !

The term LOCAL OSCILLATOR is more correctly used in a receiver not a transmitter

its the freq of the LO that is mixed with the incoming signal from the antenna to produce an IF signal which depending onthe received frequency there may be more than one LO and several IF (Intermediate Frequencies) for example

a received freq of 550 MHz mixing with the first LO of 505MHz gives the first IF of 45 MHz,
it then may be mixed again with a second LO of 494.3MHz to give a second IF of 10.7MHz
and finally mixed again with another LO of 10.245 MHz to give a 3rd IF of 455kHz from which the audio is demodulated.

thats a common arrangement for VHF and UHF and up received frequencies
lower freqs such as AM broadcast bands 550 - 1620 kHz more commonly just used a single IF down to 455 kHz ( there are a number of variations around 455 kHz used + - a few kHz)

Antiphon said:
A local oscillator is usually mixed (through a multiply circuit) with the baseband signal. This creates an intermediate frequency (IF) that is easier to work with.

altho that does happen for the transmit side its not overly common. Its more common to use an oscillator either operating at the freq of interest or multiplying up from a lower freq
say a crystal based Colpitts or Hartly osc as VK6KRO indicated.

Also to the OP --- in an AM transmitter, the audio modulation is normally applied to the last amplifier stage of the transmitter. No Local Oscillators involved in that process. This is quite opposite to a FM transmitter, where the oscillator is modulated with the audio signal.

cheers
Dave
 
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davenn said:
The term LOCAL OSCILLATOR is more correctly used in a receiver not a transmitter

its the freq of the LO that is mixed with the incoming signal from the antenna to produce an IF signal which depending onthe received frequency there may be more than one LO and several IF (Intermediate Frequencies) for example

a received freq of 550 MHz mixing with the first LO of 505MHz gives the first IF of 45 MHz,
it then may be mixed again with a second LO of 494.3MHz to give a second IF of 10.7MHz
and finally mixed again with another LO of 10.245 MHz to give a 3rd IF of 455kHz from which the audio is demodulated.

thats a common arrangement for VHF and UHF and up received frequencies
lower freqs such as AM broadcast bands 550 - 1620 kHz more commonly just used a single IF down to 455 kHz ( there are a number of variations around 455 kHz used + - a few kHz)



altho that does happen for the transmit side its not overly common. Its more common to use an oscillator either operating at the freq of interest or multiplying up from a lower freq
say a crystal based Colpitts or Hartly osc as VK6KRO indicated.

Also to the OP --- in an AM transmitter, the audio modulation is normally applied to the last amplifier stage of the transmitter. No Local Oscillators involved in that process. This is quite opposite to a FM transmitter, where the oscillator is modulated with the audio signal.

cheers
Dave

to correct a typo pointed out to me :redface:

" a received freq of 550 MHz mixing with the first LO of 505MHz gives the first IF of 45 MHz,
it then may be mixed again with a second LO of 34.4MHz to give a second IF of 10.7MHz
and finally mixed again with another LO of 10.245 MHz to give a 3rd IF of 455kHz from which the audio is demodulated.

was just having a "senior moment"

Dave
 

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