Can anything conduct electricity?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether all materials can conduct electricity given a sufficiently high voltage, exploring the concepts of conductors, insulators, and the behavior of electrons in different materials. It includes theoretical considerations and examples from physics demonstrations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the binary classification of materials as either conductors or insulators, suggesting that with high enough voltage, any material could conduct electricity.
  • Another participant explains the concepts of valence and conduction bands, noting that the band gap influences a material's conductivity and that applying voltage affects the Fermi level without changing the band gap.
  • A follow-up inquiry seeks clarification on the nature of valence bands and conduction bands, asking if the number of valence bands varies by element and how this relates to the energy required to move electrons.
  • A participant mentions that air acts as an insulator until ionization occurs, which creates free electrons, referencing ionization potentials of elements.
  • Another participant shares an observation of a glass rod conducting electricity when heated, although they note it lacks practical application.
  • A later reply distinguishes between electrical breakdown and conduction, suggesting that while high fields can induce charge flow, this is not typically classified as conduction in the conventional sense.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of electrical conduction, particularly regarding the role of voltage and the conditions under which materials can conduct electricity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about material properties, the definitions of conduction versus breakdown, and the specifics of electron behavior in various elements.

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hi everyone.

i have always been taught that there are either insulators or conductors but can't everything conduct electricity with a high enough voltage? I know a free electron is needed to move from atom to atom to conduct electricity but if a high enough voltage is put through something does that not give a non-free electron enough energy to move to another atom?
 
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Brown8633 said:
hi everyone.

i have always been taught that there are either insulators or conductors but can't everything conduct electricity with a high enough voltage? I know a free electron is needed to move from atom to atom to conduct electricity but if a high enough voltage is put through something does that not give a non-free electron enough energy to move to another atom?

Well materials have valance and conduction bands. The distance between the valance and conduction band is defined as band gap. As the band gap get bigger materials become more insulator because it gets harder for to excite an electron from the valence band into the conduction band. There is another term called Fermi level which determines behaivor of materials. Aplying a voltage only changes the Fermi level not the band gap.

So you can excite electrons from the valence band into the conduction band but at the end the conduction won't be the same as a metal. As well you might destroy materials.
 
thanks for the reply.

so the valence bands are the lower bands of the atom that the electrons populate yeah? does this mean that the amount of valence bands change with which element it is? and is the conduction band the most outer band with the least amount of electrons on and the amount of energy to move an electron from the conductive band depends on how close it is to the nucleus for example in helium there is one shell of electrons so would it take more energy to move electron in helium than radon? also does it take more energy to move electrons from a conductive band with 13 electrons than it does for a band with 1 electron?
 
Air is an electrical insulator. High voltage across an air gap does not conduct electricity until the electric field is sufficient to ionize the air and create free electrons. Here is a table of ionization potentials of the elements, including helium and radon:
http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/periodic/1stionization.html
Bob S
 
On a related note:
I saw an MIT YouTube footage of a thick glass rod which, when heated by a blow torch would conduct electricity.
No practical purpose, I suppose, just a physics demo.

 
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Please note that an electrical breakdown isn't typically considered as an electrical "conduction". So while it is true that if you apply a high enough field to almost anything, you can get charges to go across it, one typically don't consider this as an electrical conduction.

In fact, one could get charge flow at levels well below such breakdown via field emission/field current, i.e. tunneling process. This still isn't a "conduction" in the normal sense, it certainly has more controlled aspect of the phenomenon.

Zz.
 

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