Can Boyle's Law Determine How Far a Submerged Bottle Must Be Sunk?

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The problem involves a bottle submerged in water and seeks to determine how far it must be sunk for a specific volume of water to enter the bottle. It relates to the principles of gas laws, particularly Boyle's Law and the Ideal Gas Law, in the context of fluid pressure and volume changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Ideal Gas Law and Boyle's Law, questioning how to relate the volume of air in the bottle to the pressure exerted by the water at different depths. There are inquiries about the necessary variables and how to start solving the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding assumptions, such as constant temperature, and have suggested considering the relationship between water pressure and depth. There is an exploration of how to apply gas laws to the scenario, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

Contextual Notes

The problem is constrained by limited information, as not all variables needed for a complete application of the gas laws are provided. Participants are navigating these constraints while trying to formulate a viable approach.

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My physics teacher recently assigned this challenge and I have no clue where to begin. I think the ideal gas law might apply but I'm not sure. Any insight?

A bottle, full of air at atmospheric pressure, whose volume is 500 cubic centimeters, is sunken mouth downwards below the surface of a pond. How far must it be sunk for 100 cubic centimeters of water to run up into the bottle?
 
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Sure, use the ideal gas law.
 
Not quite sure how to use the gas law though on this specific problem. Since the Ideal Gas Law is:

pV=nRT

where p is the absolute pressure of the gas; V is the volume of the gas; n is the amount of substance of the gas, usually measured in moles; R is the gas constant and T is the absolute temperature.

All we're given in the problem is the volume of gas and the amount of liquid we want to replace the gas. None of the other elements are available to us. I recognize this as an ideal gas law problem but don't know how to get started.
 
kriegera said:
Not quite sure how to use the gas law though on this specific problem. Since the Ideal Gas Law is:

pV=nRT

where p is the absolute pressure of the gas; V is the volume of the gas; n is the amount of substance of the gas, usually measured in moles; R is the gas constant and T is the absolute temperature.

All we're given in the problem is the volume of gas and the amount of liquid we want to replace the gas. None of the other elements are available to us. I recognize this as an ideal gas law problem but don't know how to get started.
If 100 ml of water is in the bottle, what is the volume of air? What is the pressure of the air (this is where you use the ideal gas law to find the pressure of the compressed air in the bottle). How does this pressure compare to the pressure of the water at that point? What depth gives that water pressure?

AM
 
A couple of hints:
(1) Assume the temperature is constant.
(2) How does the water pressure depend upon depth below the surface?
 
Due to limited data given in the question I would assume your instructor is looking for a simple solution such as Boyle's law where P1 x V1 = P2 X V2. Once you account for the pressure then calculate the change in pressure as the bottle is submerged.
 

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