Can cooling lasers extract energy and reach absolute zero?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using cooling lasers to extract energy from atoms and the feasibility of reaching absolute zero through this method. Participants explore the mechanisms of laser cooling, including the role of photon absorption and emission, as well as the Doppler effect in this context.

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  • One participant questions how energy extraction occurs with cooling lasers, suggesting that it seems one can only extract as much energy as is input, and raises the issue of reaching absolute zero.
  • Another participant explains that red-detuning of the laser allows for non-zero probability of photon absorption, leading to energy transfer from the atom to emitted photons, which can cool the gas of atoms.
  • It is noted that there are fundamental limits to cooling, such as the "recoil temperature" related to the momentum change of atoms following photon emission.
  • A participant asks for clarification on the relevance of the Doppler effect in the cooling process.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of how photon scattering and momentum conservation work in the context of laser cooling, emphasizing the role of Doppler shifts in enhancing the cooling effect for atoms moving in certain directions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the mechanisms of laser cooling and the implications for reaching absolute zero. There is no consensus on the feasibility of achieving absolute zero through this method, and questions remain regarding the energy extraction process.

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Participants discuss the limitations of the cooling process, including the dependence on laser detuning and the isotropic nature of photon emission, which may affect the overall cooling efficiency.

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i mean to say how does this method extract energy, I've read the wiki but in my head it seems as though you can only extract as much energy you put in and why can't we use this to get to absolute zero?
 
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If the laser is slightly red-detuning from an atomic transitions, meaning that the energy of one photon is less than necessary for the transition, you still have a non-zero probability of the atom absorbing that photon. But the emitted photon will be at the energy of the transition, and therefore part of the energy of the atom will be transferred to the emitted photons. By a clever use of the Doppler effect, and laser beams coming from 6 directions (in 3D), you can get a pretty cold gas of atoms.

There are inherent limits to how low this can cool down atoms, the most fundamental being the "recoil temperature", corresponding to the recoil of atom originally at rest will get following the emission of one photon.
 
why does the doppler efect have to do with it?
 
Consider one laser propagating along the +z direction. By conservation of momentum, when an atom absorbs a photon of that laser, its momentum along +z increases. After emission, the atom's momentum changes, but because emission is isotropic, the average effect will correspond to a force directed along +z.

The absorption-emission of photons I described is called photon scattering. The rate at which this scattering occurs depends on the detuning of the laser: the closer it is to resonance, the higher the scattering rate. So an atom traveling in the -z direction of that red-detuned laser will see the light as closer to resonance because of the Doppler effect. The force on the atom will be bigger.

Now take two lasers with the same red detuning, one propagation along +z and the other along -z. An atom at rest will scatter photons at the same rate from both lasers. But if it is traveling in the -z direction, it will scatter more photons from the +z laser than from the -z, so it will feel a pressure towards +z, that is, a stopping force. The converse happens if it is traveling in the other direction. Therefore, both lasers act to stop the atom, because of the Doppler effect.
 

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