Can Current Density Static Create an Effective Electromagnetic Shield?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electromagnetic shielding, specifically examining whether a static current density can create an effective electromagnetic shield. Participants explore theoretical implications based on Maxwell's equations and compare this idea to traditional methods like the Faraday cage.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if a static current density is maintained around a region, it could theoretically 'fix' the electric field in that area, potentially blocking incident electromagnetic radiation.
  • Another participant counters that the goal is to shield against electromagnetic radiation, not to create a static electric field, and questions the validity of the initial claim.
  • A different participant argues that adding a static field does not shield other fields, as fields add vectorially, and thus a static field would merely contribute a DC term to the overall field without providing effective shielding.
  • One participant reiterates the concept of a Faraday cage, explaining that it works by reorienting charges on its surface in response to external fields, creating an opposing field that blocks incoming electromagnetic waves.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the functioning of a Faraday cage and a waveguide, noting that conducting walls reflect RF waves, preventing them from escaping.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the effectiveness of a static current density for electromagnetic shielding. There is no consensus on whether this approach could work, as multiple competing views are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Maxwell's equations and the principles of electromagnetic shielding, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of static fields in the presence of dynamic electromagnetic radiation.

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I've been thinking about electromagnetic shielding lately.

Of course, you have your good, old-fashioned Faraday cage.

But after staring at Maxwell's equations awhile, I'm thinking:

We're after a static E field, right?

So if we set ## \frac{\partial \textbf{E}}{\partial t}=0## in Ampere's Law, we get

$$\nabla\times \textbf{B}=\mu_0 \textbf{J}$$

Implying that if we can hold the current density ##\textbf{J}## static around a region of space, say with a constant current source, we'd effectively 'fix' the field in that region of space, thus blocking out any incident EM radiation (theoretically)?

For example, if we had a cylinder wrapped around in conducting wire, hooked up to a constant current source, would the field in the interior of the cylinder stay static regardless of what the field outside it was doing?
 
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cuallito said:
We're after a static E field, right?
No. We are after shielding against electromagnetic radiation.

cuallito said:
Implying that if we can hold the current density J static around a region of space, say with a constant current source, we'd effectively 'fix' the field in that region of space, thus blocking out any incident EM radiation (theoretically)?
No. It is not implying that and I am not sure how you arrived at such a conclusion.

cuallito said:
For example, if we had a cylinder wrapped around in conducting wire, hooked up to a constant current source, would the field in the interior of the cylinder stay static regardless of what the field outside it was doing?
No.

Perhaps it would be beneficial to first understand how a Faraday cage works.
 
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Implying that if we can hold the current J density static around a region of space, say with a constant current source, we'd effectively 'fix' the field in that region of space, thus blocking out any incident EM radiation (theoretically)?
Fields add vectorally, so adding a static field does nothing to "shield" other fields that are present. It just adds a DC field term to the vector sum.
 
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cuallito said:
I've been thinking about electromagnetic shielding lately.

Of course, you have your good, old-fashioned Faraday cage.

But after staring at Maxwell's equations awhile, I'm thinking:

We're after a static E field, right?

So if we set ## \frac{\partial \textbf{E}}{\partial t}=0## in Ampere's Law, we get

$$\nabla\times \textbf{B}=\mu_0 \textbf{J}$$

Implying that if we can hold the current density ##\textbf{J}## static around a region of space, say with a constant current source, we'd effectively 'fix' the field in that region of space, thus blocking out any incident EM radiation (theoretically)?

For example, if we had a cylinder wrapped around in conducting wire, hooked up to a constant current source, would the field in the interior of the cylinder stay static regardless of what the field outside it was doing?
A Faraday cage is essentially the same as a mirror for visible light frequencies. The way it shields is the charges present on the surface of the conducting shield reorient in response to the external field, this causes an equal and opposite field to appear at the surface of the shield which blocks the primary EM that tries to propagate through.

Somewhat the same way a waveguide for RF frequencies work. The RF wave doesn't get outside the enclosed guide because the inner walls are conducting and they reflect the wave everytime it hits the walls , which it does so after even distances which are related to the wavelength of the wave
 

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