Can Differential Forms Help Prove the Generalized Stokes Theorem?

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The discussion revolves around the application of differential forms to prove the generalized Stokes theorem, particularly focusing on the property that the exterior derivative squared, d², equals zero. Participants explore the implications of this property in the context of vierbein fields and the relationship between differential forms and Stokes' theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to demonstrate that d²=0 for a vierbein field but expresses uncertainty about how to apply the exterior derivative to a two-index object.
  • Another participant suggests that not ignoring differentials would clarify the situation, providing a calculation that shows d²A=0 due to the symmetry of partial derivatives and the antisymmetry of the wedge product.
  • A different participant proposes that the result d²=0 can be viewed as a consequence of Stokes' theorem, noting that applying d twice leads to integrals over empty boundaries.
  • Some participants discuss the generalized Stokes theorem, suggesting it might be derived from the property of d²=0 and relate it to the traditional Stokes theorem in Euclidean space, involving divergence and the Hodge star operator.
  • One participant emphasizes that differential forms enhance the proof of Stokes' theorem, describing the exterior derivative in terms of integrating over infinitesimal parallelepipeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between d²=0 and Stokes' theorem, with some seeing it as a consequence while others propose it as a foundational aspect. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to proving these relationships.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the properties of differential forms and the specific contexts in which the generalized Stokes theorem applies. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly in the application of the exterior derivative to forms with multiple indices.

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I'm trying to work out that d^{2}=0 for any form, by applying it to a vierbein field e^{a}_{μ}, so for the first exterior derivative I get (de)_{μ\nu}=∂_{μ}e_{\nu}-∂_{\nu}e_{μ} (ignoring the differentials for now). Now here is where I get stuck. When you apply d again to this, I have no idea which indices to switch around, or moreover, what it even looks like. Could anyone help me on this?
 
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It would be much easier to see what's going on, in fact, if you did not choose to "ignore the differentials". If you have some 1-form A = A_\mu \, dx^\mu, then

dA = \partial_\nu A_\mu \, dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu
and

ddA = \partial_\lambda \partial_\nu A_\mu \, dx^\lambda \wedge dx^\nu \wedge dx^\mu
Then it is easy to see that ddA = 0 because \partial_\lambda \partial_\nu is symmetric, whereas dx^\lambda \wedge dx^\nu is antisymmetric.
 
unchained1978 said:
I'm trying to work out that d^{2}=0 for any form, by applying it to a vierbein field e^{a}_{μ}, so for the first exterior derivative I get (de)_{μ\nu}=∂_{μ}e_{\nu}-∂_{\nu}e_{μ} (ignoring the differentials for now). Now here is where I get stuck. When you apply d again to this, I have no idea which indices to switch around, or moreover, what it even looks like. Could anyone help me on this?
In short, you're saying you don't know how to write the exterior derivative of something with 2 lower indices?
 
By the way, the fact that d^2 is 0 ought to be seen as a consequence of Stokes theorem. Just apply it twice. That gives you that the integral of d^2w over anything vanishes, since the boundary of a boundary is empty. So, d^2w itself must vanish.

It's good to do the calculation, too.
 
or maybe generalized stoke's theorem on manifolds should be seen as a consequence of this? to write the usual stoke's theorem on euclidean space you need to use divergence etc which you can do by composing this with hodge star operator etc
 
or maybe generalized stoke's theorem on manifolds should be seen as a consequence of this? to write the usual stoke's theorem on euclidean space you need to use divergence etc which you can do by composing this with hodge star operator etc

Yes, the exterior derivative is sort of a generalization of curl and divergence to higher dimensions. But the general Stokes theorem, I would see as coming from the same sort of argument as the old Stokes theorem. Actually, differential forms make the actual proof much much better. The rough, heuristic idea is that the exterior derivative is the integral over an infinitesimal parallelepiped. So, if you want to integrate over a boundary, you break up the interior into little tiny parallelepipeds. So, the result is that you integrate the exterior derivative over the interior.
 

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