Can EM Radiation Frequency Be Changed and Who Carries Different Frequencies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electromagnetic (EM) radiation, specifically focusing on the concept of photons and their relationship to different frequencies of EM radiation, such as visible light and radio waves. Participants explore whether EM radiation frequency can be changed and the implications of this for various devices and phenomena.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that photons are not limited to visible light but can represent any frequency in the EM spectrum, with energy determining the frequency.
  • There is a suggestion that EM radiation frequency can change through processes such as Compton scattering and the Doppler Effect, as well as interactions with materials.
  • One participant questions whether radio waves are made up of photons or if the term "photon" is specific to certain frequency ranges.
  • Several participants discuss the particle-wave duality of EM radiation, indicating that it can be viewed as both waves and particles.
  • There is a mention of devices like satellite dishes and transformers collecting photons, with a distinction made about the energy of photons at different frequencies.
  • One participant clarifies that while electrons flow in transformers, energy is transferred as photons, highlighting the concept of electromagnetic induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of photons and their relation to different frequencies of EM radiation. There is no consensus on whether the term "photon" applies uniformly across the spectrum or on the mechanisms by which frequency changes occur.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions touch on the limitations of definitions and the conditions under which frequency changes occur, such as relative motion and material interactions, but these remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the fundamentals of electromagnetic theory, the nature of light, and applications in technology such as telecommunications and electrical engineering.

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If photons "carry" visible light, and light is just a specific frequency of EM radiation... who carries radio waves?

[PLAIN]http://www.antonine-education.co.uk/physics_gcse/Unit_1/Topic_5/em_spectrum.jpg

And can an EM radiation at specific frequency be changed to a different frequency? I think a demodulator just extracts an existing sub-frequency from a carrier frequency, so although it "gets a low-frequency signal from an high frequency signal", it does not actually "convert" frequencies. Can a device change EM radiation frequency?
 
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Photons don't "carry" visible light, they are visible light if they are in the right range. A photon doesn't have to be only visible light, it can be at any of the frequencies in the EM spectrum. The energy of a photon determines the frequency of light, E = hf, where f is the frequency, h is Planck's constant, and E is the energy of the photon. So, at low enough energy, the photon can be a radio wave. Yes, it can change frequencies if it changes energy, see compton scattering.
 
Electromagnetic radiation of all frequencies, including radio waves, consists of photons. Photons in visible-light frequencies aren't special. Human eyes are just adapted to visible frequencies because to take advantage of the fact that the sun shines so brightly at these frequencies. Snakes can see in the infrared and butterflies can see ultraviolet, so to them, these are also visible-light frequencies.

EM radiation changes frequency when the observer is moving relative to the source. It's called the Doppler Effect or Redshift. EM radiation can also change frequency when it interacts with a material. For instance the phosphor coating on the inside of a standard fluorescent light bulb converts the ultraviolet radiation produced inside the bulb into the visible light we see.
 
So radio waves are made up of photons? Or "photon" is the name used for an "EM wave at frequency between XXX and YYY values"?
 
This gets into a discussion of the particle-wave duality. You can think of EM radiation as being a wave represented by oscillating electric and magnetic fields, or you can think of it as being particles, called photons. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_wave_duality" page.
 
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silmaril89 said:
This gets into a discussion of the particle-wave duality. You can think of EM radiation as being a wave represented by oscillating electric and magnetic fields, or you can think of it as being particles, called photons. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_wave_duality" page.

I know it, I was trying to understand if it works only at "visible light" frequencies, or if my satellite dish is collecting photons. :-p
 
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Your satellite dish is indeed collecting photons.
 
And so is the transformer in your mains power supply. It's just that each photon (@50Hz) has much less energy so there are proportionally more of them.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
And so is the transformer in your mains power supply. It's just that each photon (@50Hz) has much less energy so there are proportionally more of them.

Wouldn't they be electrons?
 
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Electrons are flowing in the primary and secondary coils but the energy is transferred as photons - there is no 'electrical' connection.
 
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Oh, I see, you're talking about electromagnetic induction.
 
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weird.
 
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silmaril89 said:
Oh, I see, you're talking about electromagnetic induction.

That's how a transformer works, ain't it?
 
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Yea, I just wasn't paying enough attention to what you had said. My bad.
 

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