Can evaporation take place in this scenario?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the scenario of evaporation occurring in an isolated system containing water and a sponge. Participants explore whether the sponge will eventually dry when placed above the water surface, considering factors such as temperature, humidity, and the effects of different gases in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant posits that the sponge might dry due to the higher temperature of water vapor molecules that have reached escape velocity, suggesting that the sponge's larger surface area could lead to it becoming warmer and drying out.
  • Another participant counters that the vapor molecules do not retain excess energy after evaporation, leading to an equilibrium temperature throughout the system, and suggests that the sponge will not remain completely soaked but will not dry entirely either.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the effects of filling the tank with helium, proposing that there might be a humidity gradient that could influence the sponge's moisture content.
  • A later reply indicates that a significant height of the box would be necessary for notable effects on humidity, asserting that while the sponge may lose some water, it will never be completely dry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the drying of the sponge, with some suggesting it could dry under certain conditions while others argue it will not completely dry. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions that would affect the sponge's moisture content.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about temperature equilibrium, the role of capillary forces, and the impact of gas composition on humidity, which are not fully explored or resolved.

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This is extemely important to me!

In an isolated system of a very large box half filled with water, a small soaked sponge is placed just above the surface of the water. Will the sponge eventually dry? At first I thought not. But the molecules in the vapour above the water might have a higher temperature than the water itself because they have all managed to reach the escape velocity to evaporate. This indicates that the sponge with a greater surface area to water mass in comparison to the body of the water might also be warmer and eventually dry because of this.

Thanks very much if you can help.
 
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Puma said:
But the molecules in the vapour above the water might have a higher temperature than the water itself because they have all managed to reach the escape velocity to evaporate.
They don't - this excess energy is exactly what they need to escape, and don't have any more afterwards. The system will go towards an equilibrium with the same temperature everywhere. The sponge will have some water (capillary forces help here), but won't stay completely soaked. The air will reach 100% humidity.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

If the tank was filled with helium would there be a gradation of humidity in the tank from top to bottom due to the high relative mass of the H2O, thus allowing the sponge to dry or partially dry?
 
If your box is several kilometers high to make that effect notable (you don't need helium, just the overall reduction in pressure is sufficient), the amount of water in the sponge will depend on its height, but it will never be completely free of water.
 

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