Can Heat Be Used to Charge a Small Battery?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using heat to charge a small battery, specifically through the use of thermoelectric generators (TEGs). Participants explore the principles behind thermoelectric power generation, potential applications, and the limitations of current technology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the basic principle of thermoelectric generation, mentioning that heating a junction of two metals can produce a small voltage, akin to a thermocouple.
  • Another participant asserts that a single junction does not produce enough voltage to charge a battery and suggests that multiple junctions are necessary for practical applications.
  • A participant shares their experience with a thermoelectric generator, noting its variable voltage output and questioning the feasibility of using a voltage multiplier and regulator to charge a small battery for an LED.
  • One participant confirms the possibility of charging a battery using heat through TEGs, explaining the Seebeck effect and the need for a temperature difference between a heat source and a heat sink, while also highlighting the limitations in energy production and efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of charging a battery using heat. While some affirm the possibility through TEGs, others emphasize the limitations regarding voltage output and energy efficiency, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the efficiency of TEGs is still being improved and that the energy produced may not be sufficient to fully charge a battery, suggesting limitations in current technology and practical applications.

mishima
Messages
576
Reaction score
43
Hi, I don't know so much about electronics but...

I know when you have a junction of two metals that is heated you can get a small voltage. Like wrapping a piece of wire around a nail and holding a flame over it produces a very small but measurable voltage. This is a thermocouple as far as I know.

Now I've heard different metals can produce larger voltages. I was wondering if it might be possible then to make something that could use heat to charge a small battery. It would only have to be enough to light a single LED for 4-5 hours.

So, you could put the junction in some charcoal that is burning all day (like charcoal ovens in 3rd world countries), and then come nighttime have a battery that has enough charge to make a light for you.

I don't really know how a battery charger works, I'm just wondering if something like this is possible. Thanks.
 
Engineering news on Phys.org
mishima said:
So, you could put the junction in some charcoal that is burning all day (like charcoal ovens in 3rd world countries), and then come nighttime have a battery that has enough charge to make a light for you.
No matter what metals you try, one junction doesn't produce anywhere near enough voltage from realistic temperatures to charge a battery. You need lots of junctions.

I have read of these devised around a large kerosene-burning lamp for Soviet peasants in isolated regions to listen to a small radio. Mostly this would be while indoors at night, with the lamp providing meagre room lighting and heating, cooking or water heating, together with the daily propaganda broadcast.
 
russ,
Yes I've been playing with a cheap thermoelectric generator like the one in that wiki pic. Its not really a steady voltage, and pretty small. But if my goal was just to charge a small button type battery for a single LED, could I do it with some kind of voltage multiplier and regulator?

Nascent,
That sounds great, I'll see if I can find anything more about that.
 


I can confirm that it is indeed possible to charge a battery using heat. This process is known as thermoelectric power generation and it involves converting temperature differences into electrical energy. The device used for this purpose is called a thermoelectric generator (TEG).

TEGs work based on the Seebeck effect, which is the principle that states when there is a temperature difference between two different materials, an electric potential is created. This potential can then be used to charge a battery.

To charge a battery using heat, a TEG is placed between a heat source (such as charcoal) and a heat sink (such as the surrounding air). The temperature difference between these two surfaces creates a voltage, which can be used to charge the battery. However, it is important to note that the amount of energy produced by a TEG is relatively small, so it may not be enough to fully charge a battery.

Additionally, the efficiency of TEGs is still being improved, so they may not be the most efficient way to charge a battery at this time. However, with further research and development, it is possible that TEGs could become a viable option for charging batteries using heat.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K