Can I make a banana from nothing?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of creating a banana from its atomic constituents. Participants explore the challenges of manipulating atoms and forming complex biological structures, touching on organic chemistry and the limitations of current scientific understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is theoretically possible to create a banana from its chemical constituents, acknowledging the energy and complexity involved in manipulating atoms.
  • Another participant asserts that it is not possible to create a banana from scratch using raw chemicals, emphasizing the practicality of growing bananas instead.
  • A later reply highlights that current scientific knowledge is insufficient to create complex structures like cells from basic chemicals.
  • Some participants argue that, in theory, it should be possible to create a banana, as there is nothing inherently magical about biological materials compared to other chemical systems.
  • However, it is noted that no comprehensive analysis of a banana has been conducted to determine what exactly needs to be synthesized from scratch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of creating a banana from scratch. While some argue it is theoretically possible, others emphasize the current limitations in scientific knowledge and technology, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in current scientific understanding of complex biological systems and the lack of detailed knowledge regarding the composition of a banana.

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Excuse the simplified question title. I have very little knowledge in the world of organic chemistry, and chemistry alone.

If I looked at the composition of banana (atomically), and then I got a little jar full of every element that is necessary to a banana's composition, could I make a banana?

I understand the challenges of the energy required to physically manipulate atoms.. but is this theoreticall ypossible? Could I create cells from pure atoms? What would it take to make this possible? Besides the gazillions of years required to do this... How much energy would be required to make the bonds? How could one manipulate the bonds/atoms?

Thanks!
 
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Scott Pratz said:
Excuse the simplified question title. I have very little knowledge in the world of organic chemistry, and chemistry alone.

If I looked at the composition of banana (atomically), and then I got a little jar full of every element that is necessary to a banana's composition, could I make a banana?

I understand the challenges of the energy required to physically manipulate atoms.. but is this theoreticall ypossible? Could I create cells from pure atoms? What would it take to make this possible? Besides the gazillions of years required to do this... How much energy would be required to make the bonds? How could one manipulate the bonds/atoms?

Thanks!

In a nutshell, no you can't create a banana (or anything else that complex) by manipulating a jar of its chemical constituents. That's why bananas are still grown: it's much easier to cultivate and harvest the natural article than to try to do it the mad scientist way. :rolleyes:
 
SteamKing said:
In a nutshell, no you can't create a banana
okay well thanks for your response, but instead of saying yes or no, can you clarify why?
 
Scott Pratz said:
okay well thanks for your response, but instead of saying yes or no, can you clarify why?

Well, for one thing, our current knowledge of science and technology is nowhere near being able to create anything as complex as a single cell using raw chemicals.

All of the DNA technology and genetic manipulation we currently employ takes place using existing natural cells or organisms. If an agricultural researcher wants to create a new strain of corn, for example, he breeds various existing strains of corn together to select the desirable qualities which the new strain should have. He doesn't mix up a bunch of chemicals in a lab to create a new species of corn.
 
In theory, we should be able to make a banana from scratch. There is nothing magical about biological materials that makes them different from other chemical systems.

In practice, as @SteamKing said, we don't know nearly enough about biology to even know how to build the simplest cells from scratch.

Here's a related discussion in the forums on this topic that you may find useful: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-we-create-life-from-scratch.692013/
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
In theory, we should be able to make a banana from scratch.
In practice, on top of the problems already described, no one has done a total assay of a banana to even know what has to be made from scratch.
 
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Ygggdrasil said:
In theory, we should be able to make a banana from scratch. There is nothing magical about biological materials

Which is probably the most important statement in the whole thread :)
 

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