Can intense gravity stop atomic motion ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the effects of intense gravity, particularly in black holes, on atomic motion and kinetic energy. Participants consider whether gravity can halt atomic jiggling and what happens to the kinetic energy in such extreme conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether intense gravity can stop atomic motion, suggesting that the atomic structure may behave differently under such conditions.
  • There is speculation about the fate of kinetic energy, with one participant arguing that energy cannot simply disappear and must go somewhere, while others express uncertainty about the behavior of matter near black holes.
  • One participant mentions that the radiation emitted by black holes and the matter before the event horizon is in motion, but expresses uncertainty about the conditions in between.
  • A different viewpoint is presented regarding time dilation, stating that it does not affect the energy of objects in their own frame of reference, implying that energy remains constant despite gravitational effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is significant uncertainty regarding the effects of intense gravity on atomic motion and the behavior of energy, with multiple competing views presented without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding of atomic behavior in extreme gravitational fields and the lack of empirical evidence from black holes, which complicates definitive claims.

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can intense gravity like this in black holes stop atomic motion/jiggling ?
if it does , where does the kinetic energy go ? does it radiate before entering a black hole ?
 
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The thing is we don't know.Surely the atomic structure if there even is one anymore is way way different than in ordinary conditions.

Actually I could say pretty much anything , like that Julius Caesar lives in one of them because you cannot prove me wrong as you cannot look into one , nor is anyone of those ever achieved here on Earth and studied up close.
The thing is we have theories , and good guesses nothing more on this one.
If you ask me personally , I think there has to be motion , energy cannot just disappear in thin air it has to go somewhere and do something , anything beyond that is poetry.

P.S. Surely the stuff before the event horizon and the radiation that the BH spills as it evaporates is in motion , what is in between I don't know.
 
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Crazymechanic said:
The thing is we don't know.Surely the atomic structure if there even is one anymore is way way different than in ordinary conditions.

Actually I could say pretty much anything , like that Julius Caesar lives in one of them because you cannot prove me wrong as you cannot look into one , nor is anyone of those ever achieved here on Earth and studied up close.
The thing is we have theories , and good guesses nothing more on this one.
If you ask me personally , I think there has to be motion , energy cannot just disappear in thin air it has to go somewhere and do something , anything beyond that is poetry.

P.S. Surely the stuff before the event horizon and the radiation that the BH spills as it evaporates is in motion , what is in between I don't know.
makes a lot of sense, but arent there any theories about it ?
 
Time dilation due to gravity does not steal energy. In the frame of reference of whatever object you are talking about, it is never time dilated and its energy remains constant.
 

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