Can Kinetic Energy Always Be Conserved in Elastic Collisions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which kinetic energy is conserved in elastic collisions, particularly when two objects of equal mass are involved. Participants explore the relationship between conservation of momentum and conservation of kinetic energy in the context of elastic collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on demonstrating that kinetic energy is conserved in elastic collisions when the masses are equal.
  • Another participant notes that conservation of momentum and conservation of energy are distinct principles and cannot be used interchangeably to prove each other.
  • A participant describes a specific scenario involving two equal mass balls, where one is stationary and the other is moving, suggesting that both momentum and kinetic energy are conserved in this case.
  • A later reply indicates that the outcome of one mass stopping and the other moving is a result of the conservation principles, implying that both conservation laws are satisfied in the described scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between conservation of momentum and kinetic energy, with some asserting that they are separate concepts while others illustrate scenarios where both appear to hold true. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to demonstrate kinetic energy conservation in elastic collisions.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the nature of elastic collisions and the specific conditions under which kinetic energy is claimed to be conserved. The discussion does not resolve how these principles interact in all scenarios.

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Dear all,

I know the equation to conservation of momentum.
How do I show that kinetic energy is always conserved if it says that the mass of the two objects are the same.

The following is the explanation I found but I don't get part of it.

The red arrow part (attached image) is where I'm stuck on.

Thanks for the help!
pino
 

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It's unclear from the attachment as to what you are trying to do. Every line but the last is just conservation of energy, so I assume you are talking about an elastic collision. The last line looks like you attempted to also apply conservation of momentum. If you keep going you'll get an interesting conclusion for an elastic collision of equal masses where one is initially at rest.

Realize that conservation of momentum and conservation of energy are two different things--you can't use one to show the other.
 
Hi DocAl

Thanks for the reply.

But if we take the situation of two balls of equal mass, mass B is stationary and mass A travels at velocity V. So after the collision mass A will become stationary and Mass B will travel with velocity V. Here, both momentum and kinetic energy are conserved- it is an elastic collision.

Would I be able to do this? (attachment)
 

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v_pino said:
So after the collision mass A will become stationary and Mass B will travel with velocity V.
The fact that mass A stops and mass B travels with velocity V is a consequence of momentum and energy conservation. That is what you proved in the attachment. (You assumed energy & momentum conservation and proved that V_2 = U_1.)
 

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