Can reality be defined other than at a point?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of reality and how it can be defined, particularly in relation to time and information propagation. Participants explore whether reality can be understood at a singular point or if it encompasses broader temporal and spatial dimensions, touching on theories such as eternalism and the implications of information traveling at the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that reality can only be defined at a point, arguing that reality travels at the speed of light and that information propagation influences our understanding of reality.
  • Another participant questions the ambiguity of the term "reality," emphasizing the need for a clearer definition.
  • Some participants propose that reality could be viewed as the propagation of information and its effects on entities in the universe.
  • A participant aligns their view with eternalism, suggesting that simultaneity is an illusion and that past, present, and future events are equally real, depending on one's reference frame.
  • Another participant echoes the eternalism perspective, arguing against the notion that only the present exists.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of reality, with some advocating for a point-based understanding while others support broader interpretations involving time and information. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in defining "reality," and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of information propagation and the nature of time.

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when i think of a particle standing still, i look at it as if it were moving through time, propagating a wake, the wake representing its information propagation.

the farther you are from the particle, the longer it will take the wake,travelling at c at its fastest to reach you.

because alternate realities seems very paradoxical, i have come to the conclusion that reality travels at the speed of light.

to me there is no other way to view reality.

if the sun dissappears, we will not receive that information for 8 minutes. someone might then, in my opinion falsely, conclude that the sun disappeared 8 minutes ago. however, i firmly believe that 4 minutes ago accoding to us on earth, the sun still existed, and that was our true reality.

because the closest logical explanation of reality would be "reality is what happens in the universe. particle interactions etc.., i have to believe that reality can only be defined at a point.
 
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Define "reality." It is certainly true that information travels no faster than c, but you are using the word "reality" very ambiguously.
 
jadrian said:
when i think of a particle standing still, i look at it as if it were moving through time, propagating a wake, the wake representing its information propagation.

the farther you are from the particle, the longer it will take the wake,travelling at c at its fastest to reach you.

because alternate realities seems very paradoxical, i have come to the conclusion that reality travels at the speed of light.

to me there is no other way to view reality.

if the sun dissappears, we will not receive that information for 8 minutes. someone might then, in my opinion falsely, conclude that the sun disappeared 8 minutes ago. however, i firmly believe that 4 minutes ago accoding to us on earth, the sun still existed, and that was our true reality.

because the closest logical explanation of reality would be "reality is what happens in the universe. particle interactions etc.., i have to believe that reality can only be defined at a point.

^also, is this just a roundabout way of realizing that space and time are connected?
 
elfmotat said:
Define "reality." It is certainly true that information travels no faster than c, but you are using the word "reality" very ambiguously.

basically the idea entities which interact with each other moving forward in time, tied into the idea of existence.
 
elfmotat said:
Define "reality." It is certainly true that information travels no faster than c, but you are using the word "reality" very ambiguously.

more simply i think of reality as the propagation of information and the effects the information has on other things that exist in the universe.
 
i think my view is congruent with eternalism, and the idea that there is no so thing as simultaneity, and reference and location effectively make your time depend on your location, and that past events cand be considered as real as present or future events.
 
jadrian said:
i think my view is congruent with eternalism, and the idea that there is no so thing as simultaneity, and reference and location effectively make your time depend on your location, and that past events cand be considered as real as present or future events.

contradicting the view that only the present exists
 

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