Can Riemann's Prime Counting Function Be Solved by Residue Integration?

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The discussion revolves around the application of residue integration to Riemann's Prime Counting function, specifically exploring the integral representation of the function and the implications of branch cuts in complex analysis. Participants examine various approaches to derive or understand the function, including connections to the Riemann zeta function and the Von Mangoldt formula.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether Riemann's Prime Counting function can be solved using residue integration, presenting an integral representation and discussing potential poles.
  • Another participant suggests that the formula for J(x) could be derived from the Von Mangoldt formula for ψ(x), referencing historical knowledge by Riemann.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in calculating the residue at the first complex zero of the zeta function due to complications arising from the logarithmic term and its branch cut.
  • Some participants agree that the branch cut cannot be avoided and that it complicates the analytic definition of log zeta in the vicinity of a zero.
  • One participant reflects on their learning process and expresses a desire to understand the material better, while another encourages diving into complex problems as a learning strategy.
  • A participant raises a question about a more general complex integral related to the discussion, suggesting a transformation involving x and expressing uncertainty about the implications.
  • Another participant summarizes Riemann's evaluation of the integral, detailing the auxiliary function and the extraction of logarithmic terms for further analysis.
  • A final post mentions a resource titled "THE ANALYTIC EXPRESSION FOR RIEMANN'S PRIME COUNTING FUNCTION VIA THE RESIDUE THEOREM," which may provide additional insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and uncertainty regarding the implications of branch cuts and the complexity of residue calculations. There is no consensus on the best approach to solving the integral or the implications of the various proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the branch cut of the logarithmic term and the challenges in defining analytic functions in the presence of zeros of the zeta function. Some mathematical steps and assumptions remain unresolved.

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Can anyone tell me if Riemann's Prime Counting function can be solved by residue integration?

Here it is:

J(x)=\frac{1}{2\pi i}\int_{c-i\infty}^{c+i\infty}\frac{ln(\zeta(s))x^s}{s}ds

which has the solution:

J(x)=li(x)-\sum_{\rho}li(x^\rho)-ln(2)+<br /> \int_x^{\infty}\frac{dt}{t(t^2-1)ln(t)}

I mean it has four sets of poles: 0,1, trivial zeros, complex zeros (due to log term) and I would suspect each of the four terms above may result from the residues there assuming the integral goes to zero around the remainder of a closed contour.

Anyway I'll be looking into it as well.:smile:
 
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I think the formula for J(x) can be derived from the "Von Mangoldt formula for \psi (x) since:

log\zeta(s) = \int_{2}^{\infty} \frac{x}{log(x)}x^{-s}d\psi

and the formula for \psi (x) was already known to Riemann..
 
Thanks Lokofer. I'm stuborn though.:wink:

Suppose I wanted to calculate the residue at the first complex zero of Zeta for the integrand above. That then would be:

\mathop\text{Res}\limits_{z=\rho_1}\left\{\frac{ln(\zeta(z))x^z}{z}\right\}=<br /> \frac{1}{2\pi i}\oint\frac{ln(\zeta(z))x^z}{z}dz

I'd resort to this because I don't see how to calculate it any other way. However, the log term in the expression causes a problem I think because of the branch-cut along the negative x-axis. I thought though that I wasn't integrating through the branch cut but if you plot zeta along the circular contour around the first zero, it cuts across the negative x-axis which I guess cuts across the branch-cut of the log function. I'm not very clear about this though.. The plot below is the Re and I am components of zeta around this contour. Note at around 3 it's cutting through the negative x-axis.

See, this is precisely why I need to take a course in all this. I just don't follow it too well.:confused:
 

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You can't avoid the branch cut. You can't define log zeta in a punctured neighbourhood of a zero and get something analytic.
 
shmoe said:
You can't avoid the branch cut. You can't define log zeta in a punctured neighbourhood of a zero and get something analytic.

That makes sense. Thank you. I see the problem now, the whole problem indeed: need to crawl before I can walk. I'm impatient though. It's all very interesting to me.
 
It will come. Diving at a hard problem and filling in gaps needed to understand it is not a bad way to go. At some point it does pay to go through a subject in detail to pick up anything you may have missed. I think you mentioned you're taking a complex analysis course this fall? That should be good, you have plenty of interesting problems already in your hand to apply stuff as you learn it.
 
shmoe said:
It will come. Diving at a hard problem and filling in gaps needed to understand it is not a bad way to go. At some point it does pay to go through a subject in detail to pick up anything you may have missed. I think you mentioned you're taking a complex analysis course this fall? That should be good, you have plenty of interesting problems already in your hand to apply stuff as you learn it.

Yea, I'm taking a class however I don't feel comfortable asking my professor anything about this . . . he'll get the wrong impression and I'd just as soon remain unnoticed.
 
It's every professors nightmare to have a student that's actually motivated, so you are right to keep quiet.

That was sarcasm by the way. If you are up to date with what he wants you to know in class, then there should be no problem with discussing more advanced stuff during office hours or after class (if he has time). You have some definite goals in the form of number theory applications you'd like to get out of his course, it's not a bad thing to tell him this. I know I would be thrilled to know a student had a motivation beyond "this course is required for my program".

Being unnnoticed isn't a good thing when it comes time to ask for letters of reccomendation.
 
- the post by "saltydog" has made me create a doubt..what would happen with a more "general" complex integral such us:

\frac{1}{2 \pi i}\int_{c-i\infty}^{c+i\infty}ds \frac{log \zeta (as)}{as} ?

I think that you can this expression by setting x=u^{1/a} inside the usual expression for J(x) however I'm not pretty sure.

According to this the last interal should read :confused:

\int_{u^{1/a}}^{\infty}dt \frac{1}{t(t^{2} -1)}
 
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In the interest of some closure in this matter I'll summarize Riemann's evaluation of the integral. He relies on the two expressions for the auxiliary function Xi:

\xi(s)=\pi^{-s/2}\Gamma(s/2+1)(s-1)\zeta(s)

and:

\xi(s)=\xi(0)\mathop\Pi\limits_{\rho}(1-\frac{s}{p})

Now, taking logarithms of both of these expressions, ln(\zeta(s)) can be extracted and expressed as a sum of 5 terms:

ln(\zeta(s))=ln(\xi(0))+\sum_{\rho}(1-\frac{1}{\rho})-ln(\Gamma(s/2+1))+\frac{s}{2}ln(\pi)<br /> -ln(s-1)

These terms can now be substituted into the integral expression for J(x) and the integration performed termwise (see Edwards).
 
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Here is something that may be of interest. The full title is:
"THE ANALYTIC EXPRESSION FOR RIEMANN'S PRIME COUNTING FUNCTION VIA THE RESIDUE THEOREM."
 

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