Can Single Photons Create Dark Bands in Diffraction Patterns?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of diffraction patterns produced by single photons and the implications for wave-particle duality. Participants explore the nature of dark bands in these patterns and the theoretical existence of "dark photons." The conversation touches on experimental evidence and historical context related to single-photon experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jeff questions whether single photons can produce diffraction patterns similar to those observed with electrons, suggesting that if they can, it raises questions about the nature of dark bands as a result of "self-cancelling" photons.
  • One participant confirms that single photon experiments have been conducted and that diffraction patterns do develop, but does not address the other questions posed by Jeff.
  • Another participant notes the difficulty of explaining single-slit diffraction using the particle model, linking this to the development of wave-particle duality.
  • A historical reference is made to G.I. Taylor's experiment with single photons from 1909, highlighting its significance in the context of interference fringes.
  • A participant references a paper by Marcella that derives wave-like effects using quantum mechanics and mentions the prevalence of single-photon interference experiments, indicating that such experiments are common in educational settings.
  • One participant expresses disagreement with the conclusion of a referenced demonstration while acknowledging its quality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that single photons can produce diffraction patterns, but there is no consensus on the implications of dark bands or the nature of "dark photons." Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to historical experiments and theoretical papers, but lacks detailed exploration of the assumptions underlying the claims about dark photons and their amplitude. The implications of wave-particle duality are also not fully resolved.

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Hi,

I’ve got a general question about wave-particle duality, and the experiments done with slits.
When a laser is beamed through a small slit, we get a diffraction pattern. This pattern is interesting because it contains dark bands.

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When it comes to explaining the existence of these dark bands, most people invoke the wave aspect of light, and claim that the dark bands are due to photons interfering with each other, and essentially canceling each other out. This idea is analogous to superimposing two sinusoids on top of each other, that are 180 degrees out of phase.
However, experiments done with electrons (and a double slit) produce a similar pattern, even when electrons are shot one at a time. The question then arises, how can a single electron interfere with itself.

Question 1: Is it possible to do these experiments by shooting (and detecting) a single photon?

For the sake of the discussion, let’s assume that it IS, and that we get a similar result with photons (i.e., when shot one at a time, we still get the dark bands).

Question 2: If we claim that these dark bands are a result of “self-cancelling” photons, aren’t we in effect saying that these photons have zero amplitude? If so, isn’t that an oxymoron? I mean, how can a photon exist, and not have any amplitude… and yet still be detectable?

Question 3: If in fact these “dark photons” are theoretically possible, what other phenomena produce them?


Thanks so much,

Jeff
 
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Question 1) Single photon experiments have been done and the diffraction pattern does develop.

I'll leave your other questions to others.
 
Welcome to Quantum Theory, jeffkosmo. What you are thinking about is the wave-particle duality.

You've realized that it's really hard to explain single-slit diffraction using the particle model of photons and electrons. Well, duh. It's this very difficulty (and many others) that led to the idea of wave-particle duality being developed.

To quantify mathman's remark, G.I. Taylor was the first to perform the experiment with a single photon, around 1909 I believe.
 
IttyBittyBit said:
To quantify mathman's remark, G.I. Taylor was the first to perform the experiment with a single photon, around 1909 I believe.

Interference fringes with feeble light. By G. I. TAYLOR, B.A.,
Phil. Soc. 15, (1909) p.p. 114.-115.

Really cool experiment.
 
Again, I will refer people to the Marcella paper where he derived these wave-like effects purely using QM:

http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0703/0703126.pdf

There are also many single-photon interference experiments, and variations to that, that have been done. In fact, this is so common, it can also be done in an undergraduate physics experiment and demo!

http://ophelia.princeton.edu/~page/single_photon.html
http://www.physics.brown.edu/physics/demopages/Demo/modern/demo/7a5520.htm

(I don't quite agree with the "conclusion" of the last one, but the demo is done well).

Zz.
 
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