Diffraction in a single slit setting

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of diffraction in a single slit setting, particularly focusing on the implications of slit width relative to the size of elementary particles like photons and electrons. Participants explore the mechanics of diffraction, the nature of interference patterns, and the conceptual understanding of wave-particle duality in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether diffraction bands would still be observable if the slit width is comparable to the size of a photon or electron, and whether the number of bands is finite.
  • Another participant asserts that elementary particles like photons and electrons are considered point particles, which may affect the analysis of diffraction.
  • There is a suggestion that the appearance of light and dark bands is due to interference from the top and bottom of the slit, as well as orders of diffraction.
  • One participant challenges the conventional understanding of wave-particle duality, suggesting it is a myth and that advanced study often requires modifying or unlearning initial concepts.
  • References to academic papers are provided to support claims and encourage further reading on quantum mechanics and its formalism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of wave-particle duality and its relevance to diffraction, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

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Some limitations include the lack of clarity on how the size of particles influences diffraction patterns and the unresolved nature of the relationship between wave-particle duality and quantum mechanics.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring quantum mechanics, particularly those new to the subject or seeking to understand the complexities of diffraction and particle behavior.

Ramesh Manian
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In a single slit diffraction setting, if the width of a slit is not much wider than the diameter of a particle such as a photon or an electron, would we still see diffraction bands? If so, is the number of bands / spots you see on the screen across is finite?

I am a little confused by the mechanics and manifestation of the effects of diffraction.

Is the appearance of bands of light (alternating light and dark bands) solely because of interference between the diffracted light at the top of the slit and the bottom of the slit, or is it also due to orders of diffraction?
 
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As far as we can tell today elementary particles such as a photon or electron do not have a diameter ie are point particles.

For a correct quantum analysis, as well as the effect of width, see the following:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/quant-ph/papers/0703/0703126.pdf

Also note, despite what beginning texts will tell you, this has nothing to do with the so called wave particle duality which is basically a myth:
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609163

In physics unfortunately sometimes what you learn starting out, or even at intermediate levels, has to be modified or even unlearned as you become more advanced. The wave-particle duality is one of those things. But don't get too worried about it, generally it doesn't cause too much trouble - its just when you want to be exact and examine issues of principle like you asked. Its one of those topics that far too much time can be spent discussing with quotes from this reference etc etc that leads to long threads that really don't accomplish much.

Thanks
Bill
 
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Bill

Your comment was insightful as the links were useful to me, which is a lot. Appreciate it very much. Thanks for the tip of reading Ballentine as well. As you can tell, I am new to QM. Look forward to reading your threads.

Cheers
Ramesh
 
Hi Ramesh

Thanks so much for your kind words.

I think Ballentine will be a revelation especially chapter 3 where symmetry is seen as the real basis for things like Schodinder's equation.

The following will likely interest you as it elucidates the essence of the formalism of QM:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0101012.pdf

The essence is its the most reasonable generalised probability model that allows continuous transformation's between what's called pure states. You want continuous transformations because intuitively if a system goes through a state in one second it went through another state in half a second.

That's the formalism - what it means is another matter.

Thanks
Bill
 
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