Can someone check this for me please?

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  • One participant presents a solubility problem involving silver sulfate, including the dissolution equation and Ksp expression, but expresses uncertainty in calculating Ksp.
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  • Participants explore the roles of Ag+ and Ni2+ in half-reactions, with some confusion about balancing and the implications of oxidation and reduction processes.
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  • #31
yoshi6 said:
okay is this one right?
2Ag + 2e- -> 2Ag0

isnt the cathode reaction: Ag+ + e- -> Ag
and the anode reaction: Ag-> Ag+ + e-

Is that significant at all?
correct and yes b/c it tells you what role they're playing, but you're able to recognize them so it's all good.

anyways

so we have

Ag^+ (aq) + e^- \rightarrow Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ni (s) \ E^0 = -0.28

which becomes

2Ag^+ (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow 2Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

DO NOT! multiply your charge by 2, Electrical potential is an intensive property just like density.

Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ni (s) \ E^0 = -0.28

choosing Nickel to be our anode, we flip it's half-reaction

2Ag^+ (aq) + 2e^- \rightarrow Ag (s) \ E^0 = +0.80

Ni (s) \rightarrow Ni^{2+} (aq) + 2e^- \ E^0 = -0.28

notice how i didn't flip it's charge? there are two methods in dealing with whether you change your sign or not.

if you're using the equation E_{cell}=E_{cathode}-E_{anode} keep your charges the same, if you're just going to add it all up without the equation, flip your charge with respects to the half-reaction you have chosen to be your anode.

so how would you write your overall reaction? (just add them up and cancel the electrons) and what is the EMF?
 
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  • #32
okay, i see...

Ag+(aq) + 2e- -> Ag(s) E0 +0.80V
Ni(s) -> NI2+(aq) + 2e- E0 -0.28V
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2Ag + Ni -> Ag + Ni2+ E0 0.52V
 
  • #33
Like so?
 
  • #34
yoshi6 said:
okay, i see...

Ag+(aq) + 2e- -> Ag(s) E0 +0.80V
Ni(s) -> NI2+(aq) + 2e- E0 -0.28V
_______________________________________

2Ag + Ni -> Ag + Ni2+ E0 0.52V
no, check your work again.

show me how you plugged your E0 into your equation or if you just flipped it.
 
  • #35
did i add them wrong?
 
  • #36
yoshi6 said:
did i add them wrong?
yep

show me your work if you were to do it with the equation
 
  • #37
Ecell = E cathode - E anode
= .80 - (-0.28)
=1.08 ?
 
  • #38
yoshi6 said:
Ecell = E cathode - E anode
= .80 - (-0.28)
=1.08 ?
correct

and if you just flip the equation and choose not to use the equation, you would've added and resulting in the same answer = +1.08
 
  • #39
okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...
 
  • #40
yoshi6 said:
okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...
alright, good luck! have fun
 
  • #41
yoshi6 said:
okay, awesome...I think I have some studying to do before first year starts...

chemistry
I also need to do some chemistry :cry:; I have been planning to do it since last two months.
What are you going into, and if you don't mind, where?

If you are planning to really do it; then, you may try
http://www2.ucdsb.on.ca/tiss/stretton/CHEM2/organicx.htm

It has notes for all grade 12 topics/units!
 
  • #42
Actually I only have to do it in first year. I am majoring in wildlife biology at the university of guelph.
 
  • #43
yoshi6 said:
Actually I only have to do it in first year. I am majoring in wildlife biology at the university of guelph.
wow! beautiful campus ...
 
  • #44
you've been? Lol don't you live in texas?
 
  • #45
yoshi6 said:
you've been? Lol don't you live in texas?
i can be anywhere anytime ... <google> :biggrin:

it's nice tho, how's the weather? lol, it's way too hot down here.
 
  • #46
ah isee...it is a really nice campus...well, I seem to think it is really hot right now, it's about 31 celsius, what about over there?
 
  • #47
okay I have one last question that I am having trouble with. I am almost done my assignment. This is the last one...I have some examples in my book I am trying to follow, however, this is a little different.

If the Ka= 1.8 x 10^-5 for acetic acid (i.e . CH3COOH), what is the H+ ion concentration in a solution of this acid, if 1.2 grams of acid are dissolved in 1.0 L of solution.

So I assume I have to do this:

Ka= [H+][A-]/ [HA] ? and from there...
 
  • #48
so you have 1.2 grams of acetic acid, and you're told it's dissolved in 1.0L sol'n, what would your next step be?

your Ka expression is correct, question tho, is H+ and H3O+ the same?

by analyzing the Ka, what would you estimate the pH to be?
 
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  • #49
yes it is, isn't it?
 
  • #50
yoshi6 said:
yes it is, isn't it?
yes, what would you estimate your pH to be?

CH_3COOH (aq) + H_2O (l) \leftrightarrow H_3O^+ (aq) + CH_3COO^- (aq)

what values you would input in your EQUIL for your ICE table?
 
  • #51
okay

Ka = 1.8 x 10^-5= (9.0 x 10^-3)^2
_____________
[CH3COOH]

At = , [CH3COO-] = [H3O+] = 9.0x10-3mol/L

I think...
 
  • #52
okay that is supposed to be (9.0 x 10^-3)^2 divided by [CH3COOH]
 
  • #53
yoshi6 said:
okay

Ka = 1.8 x 10^-5= (9.0 x 10^-3)^2
_____________
[CH3COOH]

At = , [CH3COO-] = [H3O+] = 9.0x10-3mol/L

I think...
where did you get 9.0 x 10^-3?
 
  • #54
wrong? I don't know I'm very confused, I am trying to follow the examples in my book, but I don't really understand what it going on...
 
  • #55
K_a=\frac{[H_3O^+][CH_3COO^-]}{CH_3COOH}

1.8\times10^{-5}=\frac{x^2}{\frac{[1.2/60.06]}{1.0}}

you wrote your Ka correctly up there, idk what happened.

you're correct that the Acetate ion and Hydronium ion concentrations will be the same.
 
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  • #56
but where does the 60.06 come from? what is that
 
  • #57
yoshi6 said:
but where does the 60.06 come from? what is that
let me fix that, i should have that within another fraction

how do you calculate molarity? what units should/are used for equilibrium concentrations?
 
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  • #58
molarity = moles of solute/ liter of solution
 
  • #59
yoshi6 said:
molarity = moles of solute/ liter of solution
what is the molar mass of Acetic acid and the moles of 1.2 grams of Acetic acid that will be dissolved?
 
  • #60
60.05 g/mol i think
 

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