Can someone explain polarization states to me in really simple terms?

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The discussion revolves around understanding polarization states of electromagnetic waves, specifically focusing on the mathematical representation of electric fields and how to interpret their polarization characteristics from equations.

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  • Participants explore how to determine if a given electric field equation represents linear, circular, or elliptical polarization by examining the phase and magnitude relationships of its components.
  • Questions arise regarding the implications of negative components in the equations and how they affect the direction of polarization.
  • Some participants inquire about graphical representations of polarization states and how they relate to the mathematical descriptions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights on how to identify polarization types based on mathematical properties. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the effects of phase differences and component ratios, but no consensus has been reached on specific methods for analysis.

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Let's say I have an equation E=iE0cos(kz-wt)-jE0cos(kz-wt), how do I look at this and know, this is linearly polarized? or what if it changes and the kz is negative? or its a sin function with with (wt-kz-pi/4) in it. I just don't understand what this equation is supposed to be telling me and what all the components contribute to that meaning.
 
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Welcome to PF iamsolost22!

You'll notice that the x- and y-components of the E field have the same phase. As a result, they'll vary with time together, and the ratio of their magnitudes will never change. Therefore, the overall direction of the E-vector won't change. That's how you can tell just by looking at it that the vector is linearly polarized and that it will always point along the same line.

If the x- and y-components did not have the same phase, then they would vary out of step with each other. The ratio of the x- and y-components would therefore vary with time, and as a result, the vector would change direction with time. This would correspond to a rotation in the plane of polarization. The vector is not linearly polarized in this case.
 
cepheid said:
Welcome to PF iamsolost22!

You'll notice that the x- and y-components of the E field have the same phase. As a result, they'll vary with time together, and the ratio of their magnitudes will never change. Therefore, the overall direction of the E-vector won't change. That's how you can tell just by looking at it that the vector is linearly polarized and that it will always point along the same line.

If the x- and y-components did not have the same phase, then they would vary out of step with each other. The ratio of the x- and y-components would therefore vary with time, and as a result, the vector would change direction with time. This would correspond to a rotation in the plane of polarization. The vector is not linearly polarized in this case.

ok so if i had an equation like E=iE0sin(wt-kz)+ jE0sin(wt-kz-pi/4), i should be dividing one by the other to get the ratio of x to y and that will tell me if it is circular, elliptical or linearly polarized? so in that case it varies by a pi/4 component which would make it, elliptical? is there a graphical way to look at this, so i get what the waves look like from wikipedia and such but i don't understand how that translates to linear, versus circular since none of the pics look down the propagation axis.
 
and what difference does it make if it is negative? it says its direction can be counter clockwise or clockwise on the wiki, is negative pi/4 a counterclockwise direction then
 
iamsolost22 said:
ok so if i had an equation like E=iE0sin(wt-kz)+ jE0sin(wt-kz-pi/4), i should be dividing one by the other to get the ratio of x to y and that will tell me if it is circular, elliptical or linearly polarized?

No, I wasn't saying that you explicitly had to divide them. I was just saying that you could tell at a glance whether or not it was linearly polarized based on whether the ratio of the magnitudes of the components was varying with time or not.

iamsolost22 said:
so in that case it varies by a pi/4 component which would make it, elliptical? is there a graphical way to look at this, so i get what the waves look like from wikipedia and such but i don't understand how that translates to linear, versus circular since none of the pics look down the propagation axis.

A quick Google image search of "light polarization" revealed many potentially helpful images. For circular polarization, it's clear that the two vector components have to have the same magnitude and be out of phase with each other by pi/2, since one would then be described by a cosine wave, and the other by a sine wave, and hence the total E-vector would clearly trace out a circle in the plane of polarization. For a more rigorous treatment of polarization that explains how you can tell the difference polarization states apart from each other mathematically I also find this set of optics lecture notes helpful:

http://atomoptics.uoregon.edu/~dsteck/teaching/optics/

Click on the link to the full PDF on that page and go to Chapter 8. Note: the author is making this freely available. He explains how elliptical polarization is the most general type, and all of the others are special cases of it.
 

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