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The discussion revolves around understanding the implicit differentiation of the equation defining a curve, specifically to show that it has no horizontal tangent. Participants seek clarification on the steps involved in deriving this conclusion, aiming for a simpler explanation suitable for beginners in calculus.

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  • Some participants explain that to determine if there are horizontal tangents, one must differentiate the implicit equation and solve for dy/dx.
  • It is noted that a horizontal tangent occurs where dy/dx = 0, which leads to setting the numerator of the derived expression to zero.
  • One participant points out that the condition for horizontal tangents results in y = 0 or a related polynomial equation, but y = 0 does not satisfy the original equation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the explanation provided and requests a simpler breakdown of the steps involved.
  • Some participants believe the original explanation is thorough and encourage careful review of each step to identify specific areas of confusion.

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Participants have varying levels of understanding of implicit differentiation and the conditions for horizontal tangents, which affects their interpretation of the explanation.

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The question is :

Show that the curve defined implicitly by the equation

X*Y^3 + x^3*Y = 4

has no horizontal tangent.The answer is :


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Can someone please explain what steps are used in order to obtain the answer in a simple way for a calculus beginner? This answer is not helping me understand the question and how to answer the question ( It is too complicated and gets me confused).

And if you have similar questions, please show me them so I can practice on them after I understand this question in order to be comfortable with this type of questions.
 
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A curve is given ##f(x,y) = c ##. To see if there are any horizontal tangents, you need to get ##y' = \frac{dy}{dx} ##. So then you take the derivative of both sides of the equation ##f(x,y) = c ## resulting in some other true equation ##f'(x,y) = 0 ##. You can obtain ##f'## by implicit differentiation. Now somewhere in ##f'## there will be a ##dy/dx## aka ##y'##. You need to extract that somehow and solve for it. How you do this will depend on the the function you were given. In this case ##y'## is that that ratio of two polynomials.

To find if the function has a horizontal tangent we solve ##dy/dx = 0##. In our case ##dy/dx## is a fraction of two things $$y' = \frac{a(x,y)}{b(x,y)} = 0$$ can only be true if ##a(x,y)= 0##. So to find solutions set the numerator to zero (note however that ##a(x,y) = 0 ## and ##b(x,y) = 0## is a special case). Finally one goes on to see if there is a solution to ##dy/dx= y' = 0##. One finds in this case that there isn't but in general there might be.
 
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iwantcalculus said:
The question is :

Show that the curve defined implicitly by the equation

X*Y^3 + x^3*Y = 4

has no horizontal tangent.The answer is :


4546765calcyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.png
The above is not "the answer." It is the explanation of why the curve xy3 + yx3 = 4 doesn't have a horizontal tangent. The explanation seems pretty straightforward to me. What part of the explanation seems confusing to you?
iwantcalculus said:
Can someone please explain what steps are used in order to obtain the answer in a simple way for a calculus beginner? This answer is not helping me understand the question and how to answer the question ( It is too complicated and gets me confused).

And if you have similar questions, please show me them so I can practice on them after I understand this question in order to be comfortable with this type of questions.
 
Perhaps a little bit simpler: a "horizontal tangent" is where y'= dy/dx= 0. Differentiating both sides of xy^3+ x^3y= 4 with respect to x,
y^3+ 3xy^2y'+ 3x^2y+ x^3y'= 0.

At any point where y'= 0, that becomes y^3+ 3x^2y= y(y^2+ 3x^2)= 0. That is only true where y= 0 or y^2+ 3x^2= 0 which, again, requires that y= 0. But if y= 0 then xy^3+ x^2y= 0, not 4. That curves does not contain any point where y= 0 so no point where y'= 0.
 
I think that the original explanation is pretty good and thorough, step-by-step. It uses a lot of fundamental facts. You should look at it carefully step-by-step and ask about the specific steps that are a problem.
 
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