Can sound travel faster than a speeding jet?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether sound can travel faster than a passenger jet moving slightly faster than the speed of sound, particularly focusing on the ability of passengers to hear each other while inside the jet. The scope includes theoretical considerations of sound transmission in a moving medium and practical implications based on experiences with supersonic aircraft like the Concorde.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if passenger A yells to passenger B, B may never hear the yell due to the jet's speed, raising questions about sound transmission in a moving vehicle.
  • Another participant argues that sound waves are vibrations in the medium, implying that B can hear A's yell as long as the jet is not open to the outside air.
  • Some participants propose that sound emitted by A would contribute to the shock wave created by the jet, potentially affecting how sound travels inside the cabin.
  • There is a suggestion that inside the jet, the air is effectively still, allowing for normal conversation, similar to being in a discussion room.
  • One participant emphasizes that the question should focus on sound transmission outside the plane, suggesting a hypothetical scenario with sound transducers instead of passengers.
  • Several participants reference the Concorde, discussing its supersonic capabilities and the implications for communication between crew members during flight.
  • Some responses include humor and light-hearted remarks about the Concorde, indicating a mix of serious inquiry and playful banter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether sound can effectively travel between passengers in a jet traveling faster than sound. While some agree that normal conversation is possible inside the cabin, others focus on the implications of supersonic travel and sound transmission outside the aircraft, indicating unresolved disagreements.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions inside the jet, such as the effects of air movement and temperature, which remain unresolved. The implications of sound transmission in a supersonic context are also not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts of sound propagation in different mediums, the physics of supersonic flight, and the practical implications for communication in high-speed environments.

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Suppose there is a passenger jet traveling slightly faster than the speed of sound. There are only two passengers on the jet (excluding the pilots.) One passenger in the seat closest to the back(passenger A) of the plane and one at the seat nearest to the nose(passenger B). If passenger A were to yell to passenger B, would B never hear the yell? If that is true then if B were to yell towards the front of the plane, would A catch up to the the yell?
 
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Your hypotehis assumes as if the jet is open to air outside...Passenger b can hear the yell since sound waves can be considered to be vibration of the medium
 
Hi,
I do not agree with .ultimate. I think that sound uttered by passenger A will add to the shock wave created by the passenger himself but will not go further. In the shock wave the sound velocity is higher than in the air outside because the air is hotter.
 
supposing the outside air temperature is not afffecting things inside the jet(whatever is the shock wave theory), then A & B should be feeling like they are talking in a discussion room! this is because when you say that A hears something being said, it means that the sound vibrations reach A's ears. As the air inside the plane is constantly moving along with the jet body, its like being in a discussion room itself...
 
As long as the plane isn't open to the outside, the air inside is still, so the plane's motion has no effect on the way sound works inside the cabin.

Haven't you guys heard of the Concorde?
 
I do not think that the question of Orl13 was "where the passengers able to hold a conversation inside the Concorde". If this was the case, the question is uninteresting. I thought the question was about transmission of sound outside the plane and making abstraction of the biological impossibilities. If this poses a problem, you can replace passengers by sound transducers. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
 
russ_watters said:
Haven't you guys heard of the Concorde?

Wasn't this the reason why the concorde was taken out of the air ?
The hostess couldn't talk to the pilot when they were flying at Mach 2 :biggrin: :smile: :smile:
 
lpfr said:
I do not think that the question of Orl13 was "where the passengers able to hold a conversation inside the Concorde". If this was the case, the question is uninteresting. I thought the question was about transmission of sound outside the plane and making abstraction of the biological impossibilities. If this poses a problem, you can replace passengers by sound transducers. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
Well, the OP mentions seats, and after that disaster in the '60s, they don't mount seats outside the plane anymore... :-p
 
russ_watters said:
Haven't you guys heard of the Concorde?

Evidently not. It's impossible to hear of the Concorde because it's supersonic. People may have seen of the Concorde...
 
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I did heard the Concorde (well, only the shock wave).
 
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brewnog said:
Evidently not. It's impossible to hear of the Concorde because it's supersonic. People may have seen of the Concorde...
Terrible, terrible joke, brewnog - I expect better from you. :-p
 
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I'm sorry, I guess I didn't clarify the question well enough. Actually the concorde is the aircraft that I had in mind when I thought up this question the other day. The two passengers are sitting Inside the jet. Simply, can B hear a yell from A since the jet since the jet is traveling faster than sound?
 
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As the joking responses should imply, there isn't anything different between what goes on inside a Concorde than what goes on inside a subsonic jet. People hold normal conversations - no yelling required.
 

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