Can Superheated Steam Reach 1000°C?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility of heating steam to 1000°C at high pressures, exploring the methods and materials required for such a process. Participants consider the implications of temperature on steam behavior, material strength, and practical applications, particularly in relation to biomass heating.

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  • Some participants assert that it is possible to heat steam to 1000°C by injecting sufficient thermal energy into a mass of water, referencing specific enthalpy.
  • Others emphasize the need for a pressure vessel capable of containing steam at such high temperatures and pressures, noting the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature.
  • Concerns are raised about finding materials that maintain strength at 1000°C, with some suggesting that most commercial power plants operate around 500°C for economic efficiency.
  • One participant questions the necessity of heating steam to such high temperatures for biomass processing, suggesting that lower temperatures may suffice.
  • Another participant points out that the high temperature could lead to the loss of moisture in biomass, potentially resulting in a hot pile of carbon instead of usable biomass.
  • There is a discussion about a link to a boiler design that claims to heat steam to 1000°C, but skepticism arises regarding its real-world applicability, as it is associated with a simulation game.
  • Some participants express confusion about the purpose of using steam to burn biomass, questioning the rationale behind this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility and practicality of heating steam to 1000°C, with no consensus reached on the necessity or effectiveness of such a process for biomass heating.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to material strength at high temperatures and the economic implications of operating at different steam temperatures. There are also references to the context of simulation versus real-world applications, which remain unresolved.

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Is it possible to heat steam to a 1000°C at sufficiently high pressures?

If yes, what is the best way to do it?
 
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Yashbhatt said:
Is it possible to heat steam to a 1000°C at sufficiently high pressures?

If yes, what is the best way to do it?
Well, of course it is.

One simply needs a mass of water, inject the appropriate amount of thermal energy. The amount of superheat depends specific enthalpy, h.

h = H / m, where H is the enthalpy or thermal energy, and m is the mass.

Superheated steam behaves much like an ideal gas.

One simply needs a pressure vessel strong enough to contain the steam at 1000°C. The pressure will depend on the mass enclosed and the volume - roughly PV = nRT.
 
The trick is finding a material which retains a modest amount of strength at 1000 C.
 
Yashbhatt said:
Is it possible to heat steam to a 1000°C at sufficiently high pressures?
"Sufficiently high pressure" for what?
If yes, what is the best way to do it?
Depends on what you want to do with it.
 
SteamKing said:
The trick is finding a material which retains a modest amount of strength at 1000 C.

I believe that most commercial power plants try to work with steam around 500 C or thereabouts. That hits the economic sweet spot of temperatures high enough for reasonable thermodynamic efficiency, but not so high that wildly expensive and exotic materials are required.
 
russ_watters said:
"Sufficiently high pressure" for what?

Depends on what you want to do with it.

I need it to heat biomass.
 
Yashbhatt said:
I need it to heat biomass.
1000°C seems excessive for process heat.

Economically, one would desire the minimum amount of heat input to achieve the desired goal of producing what you want from biomass.
 
Nugatory said:
I believe that most commercial power plants try to work with steam around 500 C or thereabouts. That hits the economic sweet spot of temperatures high enough for reasonable thermodynamic efficiency, but not so high that wildly expensive and exotic materials are required.

I did find a link about boilers where it says that it can be heated to a thousand degrees. It has some sort of blueprint, so I think it should be commercial.

See this : http://feed-the-beast.wikia.com/wiki/Steam_Boiler
 
I don't think you are heating biomass in this boiler, you are burning it to provide the heat to turn water into steam. If you were just heating the biomass, the high temperature would drive off any water left in the biomass and you would be left with a hot pile of carbon, if that hasn't already burst into flame.

The website referred to in Post #8 is discussing some sort of computer game or simulation about building a railroad, and the boiler and other equipment discussed is not actually real.
 
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SteamKing said:
I don't think you are heating biomass in this boiler, you are burning it to provide the heat to turn water into steam. If you were just heating the biomass, the high temperature would drive off any water left in the biomass and you would be left with a hot pile of carbon, if that hasn't already burst into flame.

The website referred to in Post #8 is discussing some sort of computer game or simulation about building a railroad, and the boiler and other equipment discussed is not actually real.

Oh. But it seemed as if it were real.

And yes the purpose is actally ro burn biomass.

I found a technique which uses two honeycomb like ceramic things as heat exchanger.
 
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Why would you try to burn biomass with steam? Why not just light it on fire? And why are you trying to burn the biomass?

This really doesn't make any sense.
 
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Yashbhatt said:
Oh. But it seemed as if it were real.

That's what makes simulations useful. They seem real.

In any event, the info you linked to was from a simulation game called Railcraft, which itself was an offshoot or development of another game called Minecraft:

http://railcraft.info/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft
 

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