Can the Higgs Boson be accelerated to the speed of light?

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical possibility of accelerating the Higgs Boson to the speed of light, exploring concepts related to mass, energy, and relativistic physics. Participants engage in a technical examination of mass and energy relationships, particularly in the context of special relativity.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that theoretically, accelerating the Higgs Boson to the speed of light could reduce its mass to zero and convert that mass into energy, suggesting a similarity to photons.
  • Another participant counters that the Higgs Boson has mass and cannot be accelerated to the speed of light, asserting that mass cannot be reduced to zero.
  • A participant discusses the concept of mass being relative and claims that as velocity approaches the speed of light, mass decreases, leading to infinite energy at light speed, although they express uncertainty about the implications of this idea.
  • Another participant emphasizes that mass, particularly rest mass, does not change with velocity, and that total energy and momentum increase without bound as velocity approaches the speed of light.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the use of energy formulas, noting discrepancies in mass calculations when comparing rest energy and total relativistic energy.
  • Another participant suggests keeping mass constant while varying velocity to clarify the relationship between energy and mass.
  • A participant reflects on the idea that while energy increases with velocity, the mass does not decrease, leading to confusion about the relationship between mass and energy in relativistic contexts.
  • One participant explains that as velocity increases, the contribution of mass to total energy diminishes, and clarifies that mass does not increase as velocity approaches the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mass and energy in relativistic physics, with some asserting that mass can be reduced to zero while others maintain that mass remains constant regardless of velocity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various equations and concepts from relativity, but there are indications of misunderstandings regarding the application of these equations, particularly in relation to mass and energy calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of these relationships without reaching a consensus.

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I was thinking, because of the relationship between energy and mass and the mathematics, would it (theoretically speaking, of course) be possible to accelerate the Higgs Boson to the speed of light, reducing its mass value to 0 and converting that mass into energy? I was also wondering if this were accomplished, would we get something very similar to a photon?
 
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No, the higgs boson has mass and it is not possible to reduce it to 0 and accelerate it to c.
 
I was under the impression that all mass excluding rest mass was relative. All the equations I've ever seen or solved show that, as c is approached, the value of mass decreases until c is reached, when m=0 and E=∞, and therefore all mass seems to be converted to energy whenever the speed of light is reached. This is how I see it, and it seems to explain why light has no rest mass and never stops. If it stops, it would either: a.) cease to exist or b.) become something material. I don't know exactly how b would happen, but it is a theoretical possibility from the equations I have used. (If you're wondering, I was using Einstein's equations of total energy and relativistic momentum).
 
Macrobe said:
I was under the impression that all mass excluding rest mass was relative.

Whenever anyone talks about mass in a serious way they pretty much always mean "rest mass". As such, the mass of an object does not change no matter how fast it's going. It's total energy and momentum will continue to increase without bound. Now, before you try to tell me that according to relativity the mass will to because of E=MC2, realize that the equation in that form is only partially complete and that in its complete form any extra energy in the form of kinetic energy or whatever is taken into account in a different term.

All the equations I've ever seen or solved show that, as c is approached, the value of mass decreases until c is reached, when m=0 and E=∞, and therefore all mass seems to be converted to energy whenever the speed of light is reached.

I don't what equations you are using, but either they are wrong or your understanding of how to use them is. E increases without bounds as velocity increases. C is NEVER reached. You cannot do it. Attempting to insert the value of c as the velocity is WRONG and the equation isn't designed for that. It's like trying to divide by zero. It's just not going to work.

This is how I see it, and it seems to explain why light has no rest mass and never stops. If it stops, it would either: a.) cease to exist or b.) become something material. I don't know exactly how b would happen, but it is a theoretical possibility from the equations I have used. (If you're wondering, I was using Einstein's equations of total energy and relativistic momentum).

No, it is not theoretically possible. You are using the math incorrectly and trying to extract something about reality from it that is not true.
 
Ok, now I think I see what I am doing wrong. But I wasn't using the rest energy formula as something other than something to compare to. I was using total relativistic energy, which is E=mc²/√1-(v²/c²). Nevertheless, as stated above, I can see a potential error. I was keeping the value of E at a constant number that I picked at random (56) and was finding the value of m based on varying values of v. When I compared the values of m between E=mc² and E=mc²/√1-(v²/c²), the values were slightly different. With the rest energy formula, m=6.22 repeating, whereas with the total energy formula I was getting something usually about 0.00000000001 smaller. Its not much of a reduction, but I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong by keeping E at a constant number.
 
Yes, I don't know why you are keeping E a constant number. Instead, keep M constant and increase velocity.
 
Ok, I'm glad we cleared that up. Keeping E constant was a mistake. But I have one last question that I have just thought of: Because I know that the value of E approaches infinity as c is approached, and now that I know that keeping E at a constant is the wrong thing to do: The mass of an object is not decreasing, but the energy being derived from that amount is increasing when v increases. Thus, energy is acting as if the mass of the object is increasing, when in actuality in proportion the mass is decreasing, right? Or am I confused, because I think I might be, a little bit.
 
Take the equation E=γMC2, with γ = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-V^{2}/C^{2}}}

As the velocity of the object increases so does it's energy. As V approaches C, the proportion of the total energy that the mass contributes to becomes less and less because more of the total energy is coming from the objects velocity. The object isn't acting like the MASS is increasing, as that is a distinctly different effect that we could see just by changing reference frames to one where the object is traveling at a different velocity. If the mass were increasing then the object could be accelerated to a high enough velocity to implode on itself thanks to the force of gravity. Obviously this does not happen because in the frame of the object itself, it is NOT moving.
 
That is the equation I was using, but I now understand what's going on. Thank you for clearing this up; I appreciate it. :)
 

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