Can the logarithm of a prime number be rational?

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The discussion centers on proving that \(\log_{2} 7\) is irrational. The argument begins by assuming \(\log_{2} 7\) can be expressed as a rational fraction \(\frac{m}{n}\), leading to the equation \(7 = 2^{\frac{m}{n}}\). This results in the contradiction \(7^n = 2^m\), where \(7^n\) is always odd and \(2^m\) is always even, confirming that \(\log_{2} 7\) is indeed irrational. The discussion also highlights that similar reasoning applies to other bases, such as base 3, using the uniqueness of prime factorization.

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I am to prove that \log_{2} 7 is irrational. So I started by saying that what if \log_{2} 7 is rational. Then it must be in the form of \frac{m}{n} where m and n are integers. So now \log_2 7 = \frac{m}{n} So I took the 2^ up of each and now 7 = 2^{\frac{m}{n}} Then 7 = \sqrt[n]{2^m} But now I seem to be lost. Do I now try to prove that \sqrt[n]{2^m} is irrational, or what do I need to do. Any ideas? Maybe proove that 2^{\frac{m}{n}} \neq 7 by 2^{anything rational} must be something?
 
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mattmns said:
Do I now try to prove that \sqrt[n]{2^m} is irrational
You just need to prove it's not 7.
 
How about:

7 = 2^{\frac{m}{n}}

So, 7^n = 2^m

which is a contradiction because, 7^n is always odd while 2^m is always even, for n and m as integers and n \neq 0
 
mattmns said:
How about:

7 = 2^{\frac{m}{n}}

So, 7^n = 2^m

which is a contradiction because, 7^n is always odd while 2^m is always even, for n and m as integers and n \neq 0

In this case, that approach is fine. But it wouldn't work, for example if the question asks you about base 3 logs. In that instance, use the uniqueness of prime factorisation.
 
More generally, if you wanted to prove it for a different base (e.g. 3) you could simply invoke the prime factorization theorem at that last step.
 
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