Can the physics of consciousness transcend space-time?

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Discussion Overview

This discussion explores the relationship between consciousness, time, and quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of phenomena like Deja Vu. Participants examine various theories, including the Transactional Interpretation of quantum mechanics, and speculate on how these concepts might relate to subjective experiences of time and consciousness during dreaming.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a theory that during REM sleep, the brain may interact with parallel dimensions, leading to Deja Vu experiences through a "handshake" of waves emitted by particles, drawing on concepts from quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant identifies the "handshake" concept as related to Cramer's Transactional Interpretation of quantum mechanics, which involves wavefunctions traveling both forward and backward in time.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that Deja Vu may simply be a psychological phenomenon, where individuals mistakenly believe they have experienced something before, and recommends documenting dreams to test this hypothesis.
  • One participant raises the idea that the experience of time during dreams may relate to Einstein's theory of relativity, questioning whether hyperactive brain processes could lead to a subjective dilation of time.
  • Another participant discusses the nature of seizures and their relation to electrical activity in the brain, hinting at potential connections to the discussion on consciousness and subjective experiences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some supporting the idea of a quantum connection to consciousness, while others argue for psychological explanations. There is no consensus on the nature of Deja Vu or the relationship between consciousness and time.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the brain's functioning and the subjective nature of experiences like Deja Vu and time perception. There are references to various theories and interpretations, but no definitive conclusions are reached regarding their validity or applicability.

  • #61
Ivan Seeking said:
We have some nice related references in posts 10 and 11 of this thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=58374

Thanks Ivan Seeking,

I like this approach:

Consciousness and Complexity
Conventional approaches to understanding consciousness are generally concerned with the contribution of speciÞc brain areas or groups of neurons. By contrast, it is considered here what kinds of neural processes can account for key properties of conscious experience. Applying measures of neural integration and complexity, together with an analysis of extensive neurological data, leads to a testable proposal Ñ the dynamic core hypothesisÑabout the properties of the neural substrate of consciousness.
http://scholar.google.com/url?q=http.../tononi282.pdf

The brain is organized is such a way as to support the survival of the organism it monitors and that, in turn, supports the brain. Thus, our awareness or consciousness is going to reflect the necessities involved in keeping the (host) organism alive and this will probably determine the quality of "consciousness" experienced by the said brain. So, the "neural substrate of consciousness" will be configured in a practical manner that supports life as we are accustomed to it. How much of our helpful, supportive neurons do you think are devoted to "transcending space and time"?
 
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  • #62
I thought this one was interesting.

Spin as Primordial Self-Referential Process Driving Quantum Mechanics, Spacetime Dynamics and Consciousness
http://66.102.1.104/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=cache:oMnlFW9h5zkJ:www.neuroquantology.com/JOURNAL/index.php/nq/article/viewPDFInterstitial/35/
 
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  • #63
Here is one to cause some fits.

Abstract Theoretical explication of a growing body of empirical data on consciousness-related anomalous phenomena is unlikely to be achieved in terms of known physical processes. Rather, it will first be necessary to formulate the basic role of consciousness in the definition of reality before such anomalous experience can adequately be represented. This paper takes the position that reality is constituted only in the interaction of consciousness with its environment, and therefore that any scheme of conceptual organization developed to represent that reality must reflect the processes of consciousness as well as those of its environment. In this spirit, the concepts and formalisms of elementary quantum mechanics, as originally proposed to explain anomalous atomic-scale physical phenomena, are appropriated via metaphor to represent the general characteristics of consciousness interacting with any environment...
http://www.springerlink.com/content/vtrr87tg356154r7/
 
  • #64
Ivan Seeking said:
Here is one to cause some fits.
Theoretical explication of a growing body of empirical data on consciousness-related anomalous phenomena is unlikely to be achieved in terms of known physical processes.

wait a minute..

"consciousness-related anomalous phenomena"

C.R.A.P. ?

:smile:

sorry, I just couldn't resist. :redface:
 
  • #65
Math Is Hard said:
wait a minute..

"consciousness-related anomalous phenomena"

C.R.A.P. ?

:smile:

sorry, I just couldn't resist. :redface:

:smile: Oh what an unfortunate oversight that was!

I had never heard of it, but the journal is listed in the Thomson Index.
 

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