Can the Schrödinger Equation be Extended to Four Dimensions?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of extending the Schrödinger equation to four dimensions, exploring various interpretations of what those dimensions might entail, including space-time and additional spatial dimensions. Participants examine the implications of such an extension in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Schrödinger equation can be expressed in a four-dimensional form, referencing its three-dimensional representation using the Laplacian operator.
  • Another participant suggests that the interpretation of "four dimensions" is crucial, proposing possibilities such as space-time from special relativity or additional spatial dimensions.
  • A participant clarifies their intent to describe a wave function in the form of psi(x,y,z,t) and questions if this implies a five-dimensional system.
  • There is a reference to the time-dependent Schrödinger equation (TDSE) and its solutions, emphasizing the relationship between the TDSE and the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE).
  • One participant inquires about the expansion of the Laplacian operator to include derivatives with respect to time and three spatial dimensions.
  • A mention of the Klein-Gordon equation is made, highlighting its role in relativistic quantum mechanics and its connection to the Schrödinger equation in the non-relativistic limit.
  • A proposed equation is presented, suggesting a form that incorporates second derivatives with respect to time and space, although it remains unclear if this formulation is accepted or debated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of extending the Schrödinger equation to four dimensions, with no consensus on the specifics of such an extension or its implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the proposed four dimensions and the validity of the suggested formulations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the definition of "four dimensions," the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics, and the unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed equations.

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This is a rather naive question concerning the dimension of the Schrödinger equation. If the Schrödinger equation can be wrtiten in a three dimensional form using the laplacian operator can it be written in a 4d version. I understand that the Schrödinger equation shows the development of the state of a particle in time... as I said naive!

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The answer you are looking for would depend on what you consider your four dimensions to be. Is it the space-time of special relativity? Four spatial dimensions? (Say, four particles moving in 1 dimension) Something completely different?
 
I meant a wave something along the lines of psi(x,y,z,t). Would that give me the evolution of the particles state in a 5 dimensional system?
 
Do you mean the time-dependent Schrödinger equation (TDSE)?
$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \left( \frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial y^2} + \frac{\partial^2 \Psi}{\partial z^2} \right) \Psi(x,y,z,t) + U(x,y,z,t) \Psi(x,y,z,t) = i \hbar \frac {\partial}{\partial t} \Psi(x,y,z,t)$$

When V is independent of t, that is, U(x,y,z,t) = U(x,y,z), the solutions of the TDSE are of the form ##\psi(x,y,z)e^{-iEt/\hbar}##, where ##\psi(x,y,z)## satisfies the time-independent Schrödinger equation (TISE), which you gave in your first post.
 
Yep...I mean can one expand the laplacian operator so that one has the deriviativ of x,y,z,t?
 
The Klein-Gordon equation ##(\partial_t^2 - \nabla^2)\phi = 0## appears in relativistic quantum mechanics and involves the d'Alembert operator - which in some sense is the relativistic equivalent of the Laplace operator. However, note the difference in sign between the tempotal and spatial derivatives.

In the non-relativistic limit, the KG equation gives back the Schrödinger behaviour.
 
Something like this?

(d^2/dt^2+d^2/dx+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2)-(h/2pi)/2m psi(x,y,z,t)+V(x,y,z,t)psi(x,y,z,t)=?

instead of

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