Can this trigonometric equation be solved for x_1 and x_2 in terms of \alpha?

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of trigonometric equations involving two variables, x_1 and x_2, in terms of the parameter α. The original poster presents two equations that need to be solved simultaneously.

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  • Participants explore methods for solving the system of equations, with some suggesting to express one variable in terms of the other. There is also an examination of special cases when sin(α) equals zero, leading to different outcomes for the variables.

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Several participants have contributed attempts to solve the equations, with some providing insights into the implications of specific values of α. There is an ongoing exploration of whether a general method exists for expressing x_1 and x_2 in terms of α.

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Participants note the importance of considering cases where sin(α) equals zero, as this affects the validity of certain algebraic manipulations. The discussion highlights the need to analyze the equations under these conditions separately.

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[tex]x_1(cos\alpha-1) + x_2sin\alpha = 0[/tex]
[tex]x_1sin\alpha + x_2(-cos\alpha-1) = 0[/tex]
How to solve this equation? Can anyone help me?
 
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It's a system of equations: 2 equations in 2 unknowns. That means you can solve it. Just solve for one unknown in terms of the other using the first equation, and then subsitute that into the second.
 
Let me try...

Solve equation 1:
[tex]x_2 = \frac{-x_1(cos\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha}[/tex]

Substitute it to the second:
[tex]x_1sin\alpha + \frac{-x_1(cos\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha}(-cos\alpha-1) = 0[/tex]

[tex]x_1sin\alpha + \frac{x_1(cos^2\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha} = 0[/tex]

[tex]2x_1sin\alpha = 0[/tex]

What is the solutions for [tex]2x_1sin\alpha = 0[/tex]?
Obviously one is [tex]x_1=0[/tex], but if [tex]sin\alpha = 0[/tex], then...
 
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physicsRookie said:
Let me try...

Solve equation 1:
[tex]x_2 = \frac{-x_1(cos\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha}[/tex]

Substitute it to the second:
[tex]x_1sin\alpha + \frac{-x_1(cos\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha}(-cos\alpha-1) = 0[/tex]

[tex]x_1sin\alpha + \frac{x_1(cos^2\alpha - 1)}{sin\alpha} = 0[/tex]

[tex]2x_1sin\alpha = 0[/tex]

What is the solutions for [tex]2x_1sin\alpha = 0[/tex]?
Obviously one is [tex]x_1=0[/tex], but if [tex]sin\alpha = 0[/tex], then...
Well done. The point is, of course, that [tex]\alpha[/tex] is a number (not one of the variables) so these can be solved like any pair of equations for x1 and x2.
Notice, by the way, that if [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex], your first step, dividing by that, would be invalid. You have to look at this case separately.
If [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex], then [tex]cos\alpha[/tex] is either 1 or -1.

What do your equations look like if [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex] and [tex]cos\alpha= 1[/tex]?

What do your equations look like if [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex] and [tex]cos\alpha= -1[/tex]?
 
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HallsofIvy, thanks.
HallsofIvy said:
What do your equations look like if [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex] and [tex]cos\alpha= 1[/tex]?
[tex]2x_1=0 and 0=0 => x_1=0, x_2[/tex] could be any number
HallsofIvy said:
What do your equations look like if [tex]sin\alpha= 0[/tex] and [tex]cos\alpha= -1[/tex]?
[tex]0=0 and -2x_2=0 => x_2=0, x_1[/tex] could be any number

I just try another solution.
Rewrite the equations:
[tex](x_1cos\alpha + x_2sin\alpha) - x_1 = 0[/tex]
[tex](x_1sin\alpha - x_2cos\alpha) - x_2 = 0[/tex]

Suppose [tex]x_1 = cos\frac{\alpha}{2}, x_2 = sin\frac{\alpha}{2}[/tex], then

[tex]cos\frac{\alpha}{2}cos\alpha + sin\frac{\alpha}{2}sin\alpha - cos\frac{\alpha}{2} = 0[/tex]

[tex]cos\frac{\alpha}{2}sin\alpha - sin\frac{\alpha}{2}cos\alpha - sin\frac{\alpha}{2} = 0[/tex]

It works!

I am wondering whether there is some general method to solve [tex]x_1, x_2[/tex] depending on [tex]\alpha[/tex] or not.
 
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