Can trains use permanent magnets to be propelled?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using permanent magnets to propel trains, specifically in the context of maglev technology. Participants explore whether a system can maintain constant speed using only permanent magnets, referencing a specific article about a maglev train in China.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a train can be propelled using permanent magnets, referencing a specific maglev train design.
  • Another participant argues that using permanent magnets for propulsion would violate the first law of thermodynamics, suggesting that the article may be misleading and that the magnets are likely only used for lifting.
  • A third participant agrees with the previous point, emphasizing that while levitation is possible, propulsion is not achievable with permanent magnets alone. They also critique the article for its potentially manipulative language regarding energy use.
  • A final post indicates that the question has been resolved, though it does not clarify the resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the possibility of using permanent magnets for propulsion, with some asserting it is not feasible while others question the clarity of the information presented in the referenced article.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding the application of permanent magnets in maglev technology and the implications of energy conservation laws, but does not resolve the technical feasibility of the proposed system.

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Can trains use permanent magnets to be propelled?
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No, that would be a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. The article is most likely just badly written and the train only uses the permanent magnets for lifting.
 
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What russ said.

Levitated, sure; propelled no.

The article is very manipulative. It says "...runs power-free...", and "...takes electricity out of the equation, using only magnets composed of rare-earth metal..."

But the veeerrrry last sentence in the article is a quote by an engineer that says:

"Its most prominent feature is zero-power suspension, which can save at least 31% of the energy normally needed to suspend trains using previous electromagnetic levitation technology,’ "
This is the internet in the 21st century. If it can be staged, faked or Photoshopped, it surely is staged, faked or Photoshopped.
 
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Asked and answered. Thank you all. :smile:
 
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