Can Two Intersecting Laser Pulses Create a Visible 'Flash' in Midair?

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The discussion explores the possibility of creating a visible 'flash' in midair by intersecting two laser pulses. Participants consider various mechanisms, including ionization, standing waves, and nonlinear media, while examining the conditions necessary for visibility and the challenges involved.

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  • Some participants propose that a visible flash could occur if the electric field strength from intersecting laser pulses is high enough to cause ionization.
  • Others suggest that creating a visible dot would require scattering particles in the air, as light beams alone would not be visible without such scattering.
  • A participant raises the idea of producing a standing wave of red light, questioning whether it could appear as a 'string' of stationary pulses in midair.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that optical standing waves are not visible, as they do not propagate light into the observer's eye without scattering mechanisms.
  • Some participants discuss the potential of using nonlinear media to generate visible light through intermodulation of high-frequency electromagnetic waves.
  • A reference is made to a 3D display technology that utilizes two-photon fluorescence, suggesting it might achieve the desired effect under specific conditions.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the feasibility of creating a visible flash in midair, with no consensus reached on the mechanisms or conditions required.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the visibility of light in empty space, the need for scattering, and the specific properties of materials that could facilitate the desired effects.

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Hey guys, I've been wondering what would happen if you had two lasers pointed at the same spot emitting pulses of visible light such that the pulses would meet the spot at the same time(lets assume the spot is in midair, no screen). the lasers could either be directly opposite each other or they could be at angles, but would it be possible to get them to intersect and make a 'flash' in midair?
 
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Are you suggesting that this "flash" would be due to the Electric Field Strength being high enough to cause ionisation? The answer to that question is yes because the two fields could add up at some point in space so that the total field was twice that of one beam on its own.
 
actually i was thinking more along the lines of a suspended dot as it were (in midair) that would be the same colour as the lasers being used. perhaps more specifically, if a tried to make a standing wave out of red light using laser pulses, would it appear as though i had a 'string' of stationary red pulses in midair?
 
You can't expect to produce a single dot using interference because the wavelength is wrong and you would need a very complicated light source arrangement.
Also, of course, the only way you will get a visible dot would be to have a cloud of dust or droplets to scatter the light where the 'dot' should appear. Light of any intensity will not be visible from the 'side' of a beam without some scattering. (You don't see the sunlight streaming past the Earth on a dark night, do you?)

A large diameter reflector could be used to focus light into a small region but you would see a cone rather than a spot in the scattering particles.
 
trini said:
actually i was thinking more along the lines of a suspended dot as it were (in midair) that would be the same colour as the lasers being used. perhaps more specifically, if a tried to make a standing wave out of red light using laser pulses, would it appear as though i had a 'string' of stationary red pulses in midair?

You can't see an optical standing wave...you see light that propagates into your eye, and the notable quality of standing waves is that they stay put. You need a way to scatter light passing through the area of the "spot" into your eye, another laser pulse will not do this in empty space.

Something produced by another laser in a medium might, however. For example, you might be able to engineer some material that becomes temporarily cloudy when hit by infrared, or by the intersection of two beams. Maybe produce an "antifog" of tiny bubbles that condense quickly when the medium cools or when they travel outside the area heated by the laser. Or some sort of crystalline phase transition.
 
Cjameshuff's comments show how your basic idea is 'not on'.

If you could find the right nonlinear medium, it could be possible to 'generate' light (em with a visible frequency) by beating two high intensity em waves of a higher frequency than that of light (ultraviolet) and forming an intermodulation produce with a frequency equal to the difference between the two input frequencies. The visible light would only be produced in the region where the beams overlap.
 
sophiecentaur said:
If you could find the right nonlinear medium, it could be possible to 'generate' light (em with a visible frequency) by beating two high intensity em waves of a higher frequency than that of light (ultraviolet) and forming an intermodulation produce with a frequency equal to the difference between the two input frequencies. The visible light would only be produced in the region where the beams overlap.

A rather different mechanism, but I recall reading some time ago about a 3D display using two-photon fluorescence in a special glass that glowed in visible light when illuminated by near-infrared lasers of two specific wavelengths, but was transparent to each alone (at least, at the intensities used). Ah, here:

http://www.3dtl.com/page9.php
http://www.felix3d.com/web/download/paper_pw_03.pdf
 
cjameshuff said:
A rather different mechanism, but I recall reading some time ago about a 3D display using two-photon fluorescence in a special glass that glowed in visible light when illuminated by near-infrared lasers of two specific wavelengths, but was transparent to each alone (at least, at the intensities used). Ah, here:

http://www.3dtl.com/page9.php
http://www.felix3d.com/web/download/paper_pw_03.pdf

Well there you go. Just what you want, using double photon upconversion. Is sounds just like a radio superhet system with three tuned circuits and a non-linearity. How interesting.
 

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