Can two variables in two different equations cancel each other?

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The discussion revolves around the potential cancellation of two variables, 'L' and 'l', in different equations related to the physics of wires and magnetic fields. Participants are exploring the implications of these variables in the context of their respective equations and the physical scenarios they represent.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify whether 'L' and 'l' can be considered the same in their equations, given they refer to lengths of the same wire. Some participants question the validity of this assumption based on the definitions provided by the teacher.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement with the teacher's explanation regarding the distinction between 'L' and 'l'. Others introduce additional considerations about the context of the equations, such as the setup involving crocodile clips and the potential impact of resistance in the scenario.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the importance of context in applying equations, with references to specific conditions under which the equations hold true. Participants are also considering the implications of using different lengths in their calculations.

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Homework Statement
What is the relationship between the force acting on a current-carrying wire within a magnetic field and the resistivity of the wire material at room temperature?
Relevant Equations
F = BIL sin⁡θ (#1)
I = V/R (#2)
R = ρ l/A (#3)
F = BLVA sin⁡θ/ρl (#4)
Using the related equations, I have come up with an equation that I think would answer this question (#4). However, I was just wondering does the 'L' from equation #1 and 'l' in equation #3 cancels each other out when the substitution is made to give out equation #4 (since they are both the length of the wire)? I asked my physics teacher in class and he didn't know the answer. Thank you so much for your time, every response is much appreciated.

Edit: the teacher just came back to me with a response. He said that the 'l' and 'L' are two different lengths despite the same wire are being used in this instance. The 'L' here represents the length of which the force is acting on the wire based on how much of the wire is going through the magnetic field whereas the 'l' represents the full length of the wire. Can someone please confirm this explanation? Thank you.
 
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Y0SHI0N said:
Can someone please confirm this explanation? Thank you.
Looks right.
 
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haruspex said:
Looks right.
Say if I were to set up the scenario in question with crocodile and a simple power source, would this relationship change? do I need to consider the resistance of the crocodile cables as well? Also thank you for your response.
 
Y0SHI0N said:
Say if I were to set up the scenario in question with crocodile and a simple power source, would this relationship change? do I need to consider the resistance of the crocodile cables as well? Also thank you for your response.
Every equation has a context. It is only valid under a stated set of conditions.
R = ρ l/A is valid for a length of conductor of uniform resistivity and cross sectional area.
I = V/R is valid between two points with potential difference V etc.
For the purposes of the question in post #1, you could make the context just a short section of wire, entirely in the field, and with a voltage V applied across its length.
 
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haruspex said:
Every equation has a context. It is only valid under a stated set of conditions.
R = ρ l/A is valid for a length of conductor of uniform resistivity and cross sectional area.
I = V/R is valid between two points with potential difference V etc.
For the purposes of the question in post #1, you could make the context just a short section of wire, entirely in the field, and with a voltage V applied across its length.
Thank you so much:)
 
Generally you cannot assume that the same letter appearing in two different equations you find on the internet represents the same quantity. And you definitely can't assume that a lower-case and upper-case symbol, e.g. ##a## and ##A##, appearing in a given term represent the same quantity!
 

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