Can we design vehicle for animal self powered?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of designing a vehicle powered by animals, akin to a bicycle for humans. Participants explore various mechanical systems that could harness animal power efficiently, considering aspects such as steering, energy efficiency, and training of the animals involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using a treadmill-like system for animals to power a vehicle, suggesting it could enhance efficiency compared to direct drafting.
  • Others argue that the steering capabilities of animals would be poor, raising concerns about control and practicality.
  • A participant suggests a design where the animal stands on a vehicle and powers the rear wheels while a human controls the steering.
  • There are discussions about the potential for training animals to navigate and operate the vehicle independently, though skepticism exists regarding the feasibility of such training.
  • Some participants mention that while bicycles are efficient for humans, the efficiency of animal-powered systems may not be as favorable due to mechanical losses.
  • One idea involves a wheeled supporting cart for horses that could reduce their load and improve mobility, though comfort for the animal is questioned.
  • Disagreements arise regarding the efficiency of walking versus biking, with some asserting that biking is more efficient on a joule/km basis, while others emphasize the flexibility of walking.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the efficiency of animal-powered vehicles, the practicality of training animals, and the mechanics of steering. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the best approach or design.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their designs, including the complexity of systems compared to traditional methods of animal power and the challenges of training animals for specific tasks.

  • #61
I have clarify my reasoning more and more between the first and the last so that should not be a problem to many people that listen and talk with me while try to really thinking. Most people being useful here because they understand
Only some person who don't actually read but try to mess with all people right here

To have some analogy for you. Do you know the rice milling machine in form of treadmill? Do you know that in the old day we mill the rice by let animal and people walk on the rice directly?
Why we create milling machine by threading and use animal to run on treadmill?

Do you know the bicycle pushing cart? Why people use it instead of pushing by walking?

In the history. We human always just use cow or buffalo to draft thing directly. Like we push a cart by walking
So I just start the tread for gather the idea about, how could we have something like a bicycle pushing cart for animal
And I start with just bicycle for animal first. It can be used in transportation. Add cart and tool for farming is option

I try to open for idea. People may have idea for this wider than me so I not tell fully purpose in the first place
 
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  • #62
ThainaYu said:
I think to train animal to use is not problem at all. What I really want is the design that would be sure easy and comfortable for the animal (it would be effect to training too) and about efficiency that should be useful as much as possible
I doubt it would be very efficient if you account for having to feed and care for the animal. They are not a "free" source of power. But you would have to do an actual calculation of the cost of maintaining the animal, and figure out the amount of useful work (energy) the animal can produce. Then compare that to the cost and work output of existing farm equipment.

The actual reason I think about this is to resurrect buffalo farming of my homeland. Also horse and cow farming around the world. To have green energy and preserve friendly animal relationship
But to do that. Efficiency is very crucial to benefit people who tame them
"Green" seems to be ill-defined, or may be an inappropriate criterion here. The animals would still produce greenhouse gases, and you need to compare that to the amount of gases produced by existing engines.
 
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  • #63
Because there are byproduct from caring animal that's why I'm not concern much about feed and caring. And it not so very different between machine maintenance. I have approximate that the transportation of fuel would be cost too
And if the animal could be less efficient but not too far then it would be competition of way to do farming

I may misconception the word "green" but at least it not produce carbonmonoxide and unnatural poison like oil and gas did. Also the oil was decrease from the world right now that's why

Thanks for help me concerning
 
  • #64
This thread has more than run its course. It is closed.
 

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