Can we imagine that momentum is the total energy stored in the body at

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual relationship between momentum and energy, particularly whether momentum can be considered as the total energy stored in a body at a specific velocity. Participants explore various definitions and mathematical relationships between momentum and kinetic energy, as well as implications for force and conservation principles.

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  • One participant questions if momentum can be imagined as the total energy stored in a body at a particular velocity, prompting responses about the definitions of momentum and kinetic energy.
  • Another participant clarifies that momentum (p = mv) and kinetic energy (E = (1/2) mv²) are related but distinct concepts, noting that momentum can be derived from the change in energy with respect to velocity.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that momentum represents a body's ability to move at a certain velocity, while kinetic energy reflects the "activity" due to motion.
  • One participant discusses the integral relationships between force, momentum, and energy, indicating that momentum is linked to the integral of force over time, while energy relates to the integral of force over displacement.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding a previous explanation, indicating a need for clarification on the concepts discussed.
  • Another contribution proposes that conservation of momentum can be derived from conservation of energy without referencing forces, presenting a mathematical framework for this argument.
  • One participant asserts that while energy is not necessarily expended to stop a moving body, effort is still required, suggesting that momentum can be viewed as a measure of the effort needed to halt motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between momentum and energy, with no consensus reached on whether momentum can be equated to total energy stored in a body. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives and interpretations of the concepts involved.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of momentum and energy, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the relationships between these concepts.

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can we imagine that momentum is the total energy stored in the body at a particular velocity?if not then why?
 
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Not really, although they are related. The definition of momentum is
p = m v
while the kinetic energy of a body is
E = (1/2) m v2.

You may notice, if you know calculus, that p = dE/dv.
The second law of Newton is actually
F = dp/dt,
i.e. the force is the (instantaneous) change in momentum in time. When the mass of an object is constant, this reduces to F = ma.

Basically it expresses the ancient experimental fact that to move an object, not only the force that you extert determines the velocity it will get, but also the mass matters. In Egyptian terms, kicking a cat is easier than moving a pyramid :)
 


Momentum as far as I've read is best defined as the property of a body of mass M to move at a speed V given a certain impetus P. So the momentum stored in a body gives it the ability to move at a certain velocity. Kinetic Energy can be defined as the rate of translation of momentum or the measure of the amount of "activity" in a body due to its motion.
 


Momentum is related to the integral of a force over a time integral dt:

∫F dt = mv

Total energy is related to the integral of a force over a displacement dx:

∫F dx = ½mv2

Bob S
 


i could not understand your last sentence if i have commit any mistake theni am sorry for that.
 


What is possible is to derive conservation of momentum using only conservation of energy without invoking forces. Suppose we have in one frame of reference:

1/2 m1 v1^2 + 1/2 m2 v2^2 = 1/2 m1 v1'^2 + 1/2 m2 v2'^2

Here the velocities are vectors, square means inner product of the vector with itself. In another frame of reference moving with velocity U the conservation of energy equation reads:

1/2 m1 (v1-U)^2 + 1/2 m2 (v2-U)^2 =

1/2 m1 (v1'-U)^2 + 1/2 m2 (v2'-U)^2

f you expand out the squares, use conservaton of energy in the original frame and conservation of mass, you are left with the double inner product terms. Then noting that U is arbitrary, you are led to the conclusion that momentum is conserved.
 


You do not necessarily have to expend energy to bring a traveling body to a complete halt.

Nevertheless you have to apply effort to do this.

Momentum can be thought of as a measure the the amount of 'effort' required.
 

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