Can We See the Moon From 238,900 Miles Away?

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The discussion revolves around the question of visibility from a distance, specifically why the Moon can be seen from approximately 238,900 miles away while a single grain of sand cannot. Participants explore concepts related to optical vision, light interaction, and detection thresholds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that a single grain of sand cannot be seen from 238,900 miles away, questioning why the Moon, composed of billions of grains, is visible.
  • Others counter that visibility depends on the angular diameter and light interaction, suggesting that the Moon's size allows it to be seen despite the distance.
  • A participant mentions the concept of detection thresholds, indicating that while individual grains reflect light, their contribution is below the threshold for human vision until a sufficient number is present.
  • There is a discussion about the visibility of germs, with some humorously suggesting that the nature of the germs could affect visibility.
  • References to Zeno's Paradoxes are made, indicating a philosophical angle on perception and visibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the principles of visibility and the factors influencing what can be seen from great distances.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific conditions under which visibility occurs, including the role of angular diameter and light interaction, without resolving these complexities.

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Optic vision question?
You can not see 1 grain of sand from 238,900. miles away with the naked eye so why can we see the moon it is billions of grains of sand?

We can not see 1 germ with the naked eye, can we see 1 teaspoon of pure 100% germs?
 
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Your finger is made of atoms and molecules. Can you see your finger? Can you see an atom?

A beach is made up of grains of sand. Can you see a beach?
 
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gary350 said:
Summary:: Optic vision question?

You can not see 1 grain of sand from 238,900. miles away with the naked eye
You could see the results of a grain of sand hitting the moon at near ##c##. Or a speck of antimatter doing same at any velocity.
so why can we see the moon it is billions of grains of sand?
"billions" ? You mean like a couple of cubic feet of sand ?

I can barely see the keyboard in front of me and need a magnifying glass to read pretty much anything, so count me out of the "we" that can spot a small boulder from a quarter-billion miles away.
We can not see 1 germ with the naked eye, can we see 1 teaspoon of pure 100% germs?
Depends : are they magic, invisible germs ?

Zeno's Paradoxes weren't even paradoxes two and a half millenia ago, but mathematicians hadn't gotten around to formalizing their proofs for things that are mostly common sense, anyways.

The one you seem to be looking for is along the lines of "If we can't hear a single grain of barley dropping to the floor, then why can we hear a bushel of grain hitting the ground"... or something like that.
 
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gary350 said:
You can not see 1 grain of sand from 238,900. miles away with the naked eye so why can we see the moon it is billions of grains of sand?

We can not see 1 germ with the naked eye, can we see 1 teaspoon of pure 100% germs?
Yes, you could see 1 teaspoon of 100% pure germs. I'm not sure you'd like the look of it though.

As for the Moon, a grain of sand at that distance has far too small of an angular diameter to see. But the Moon's angular diameter falls well within the range of human visibility.
 
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gary350 said:
Summary:: Optic vision question?

You can not see 1 grain of sand from 238,900. miles away with the naked eye so why can we see the moon it is billions of grains of sand?

We can not see 1 germ with the naked eye, can we see 1 teaspoon of pure 100% germs?
Grains of sand and germs interact with light, so they can be seen with some sort of optical sensor. The fact that the human eye cannot see a grain of sand at the distance of the moon but can see the moon is simply because it is a highly non-linear sensor.
 
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Each grain does reflect light but the amount is below the detection threshold of the eye. As the number of grains increases, the amount of light increases and eventually reaches the detection threshold. In many cases like this, it is the noise present at the detector which creates a detection threshold.
 
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