Can You Derive the Formula for cos^(n-1)(x) Using a Recursive Method?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the integral of cos^8(x) using a recursive method, with the poster seeking help on differentiation techniques. They initially confused integration with differentiation while attempting to apply a recursive formula found in their textbook and online resources. A contributor pointed out the importance of using the chain rule correctly for differentiation, emphasizing the need to express the derivative of cos^n(x) accurately. The conversation highlights the necessity of understanding the relationship between the functions involved and the proper application of calculus rules. Overall, the poster acknowledges the need for further revision on differentiation techniques.
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I'm working on a Maths assignment and one of the problem solving questions is to prove:
\int cos^{8}(x)dx=\frac{1}{8}cos^{7}(x).sin(x)+\frac{7}{48}cos^{5}(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{192}cos^{3}(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{128}cos(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{128}(x)+c

I have looked through my textbook and found a good example which will help me, the book uses a thing they are calling a recursive formula. I've done some research and I've seen the same formula from lots of different information sources.

Exhibit A: http://calc101.com/deriving_reduction_2.html

[STRIKE]They have all given demonstrations on how to get the formula, but when I try to do it myself I run into a problem when differentiating the first function cos^{n-1}(x)[/STRIKE]

Nevermind I was integrating haha, but still; obviously I am rusty on my differentiation techniques so if someone could check this for me that would be fantastic (mainly concerned with my procedure for communication marks etc.) :)

y=cos^{n-1}(x)Allow cos(x) to equal u\frac{dy}{dx}=u^{n-1}....1


\frac{du}{dx}=-sin(x)

\frac{du}{-sin(x)}=dx.....2Sub 2 into 1\frac{dy}{\frac{du}{-sin(x)}}=u^{n-1}

\frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)u^{n-1-1}.-sin(x)

\frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)u^{n-2}.-sin(x)

But u = cosx

\frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)cos^{n-2}(x).-sin(x)
 
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Patjamet said:
I'm working on a Maths assignment and one of the problem solving questions is to prove:
\int cos^{8}(x)dx=\frac{1}{8}cos^{7}(x).sin(x)+\frac{7}{48}cos^{5}(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{192}cos^{3}(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{128}cos(x).sin(x)+\frac{35}{128}(x)+c

I have looked through my textbook and found a good example which will help me, the book uses a thing they are calling a recursive formula. I've done some research and I've seen the same formula from lots of different information sources.

Exhibit A: http://calc101.com/deriving_reduction_2.html

[STRIKE]They have all given demonstrations on how to get the formula, but when I try to do it myself I run into a problem when differentiating the first function cos^{n-1}(x)[/STRIKE]

Nevermind I was integrating haha, but still; obviously I am rusty on my differentiation techniques so if someone could check this for me that would be fantastic (mainly concerned with my procedure for communication marks etc.) :)

y=cos^{n-1}(x)


Allow cos(x) to equal u


\frac{dy}{dx}=u^{n-1}....1
No, you haven't done the derivative yet. y= u^{n-1}
and then dy/dx= (n-1)u^{n-2} <br /> <br /> [/quote]\frac{du}{dx}=-sin(x)<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> \frac{du}{-sin(x)}=dx.....2 </div> </div> </blockquote> Why are you doing this? Use the chain rule: (du/dx)= (du/dy)(dy/dx)<br /> That gives you )n-1)u^{n-2}(-sin(x))= -(n-2)sin(x)cos^{n-2}(x)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote data-attributes=&quot;&quot; data-quote=&quot;&quot; data-source=&quot;&quot; class=&quot;bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-content&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent &quot;&gt; Sub 2 into 1&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; \frac{dy}{\frac{du}{-sin(x)}}=u^{n-1} &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; \frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)u^{n-1-1}.-sin(x) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; \frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)u^{n-2}.-sin(x) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; But u = cosx&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; \frac{dy}{du}=(n-1)cos^{n-2}(x).-sin(x) &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; But I see no reason to ask about the &amp;quot;n-1&amp;quot; power. For your problem you want to look at cos^n(x). Again, letting u= cos(x), y= u^n so dy/du= n u^{n-1} and du/dx= - sin(x). So dy/dx= (dy/du)(du/dx)= n u^{n-1}(-sin(x))= -n sin(x)cos^{n-1}(x).&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; With a little practice, you should be able to do that with actually writing down the &amp;quot;u&amp;quot; substitution: to differentiate cos^n(x) think &amp;quot;The &amp;quot;outer function&amp;quot; is a power so the derivative is n cos^{n-1}(x) and then I multiply by &lt;b&gt;its&lt;/b&gt; derivative, -sin(x)&amp;quot;.
 
Doh, the chain rule.

Thank you very much, looks like I have a lot of revision to do!
 
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