Can You Solve These Integrals Involving ArcCos?

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The discussion revolves around solving integrals involving the arc cosine function, specifically in the context of deriving the moment of inertia for a rectangular prism. Participants explore various techniques in calculus, including integration by parts and trigonometric identities, while addressing challenges faced in evaluating the integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two integrals involving arc cosine that need to be solved, expressing difficulty due to limited calculus knowledge.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the integrands using trigonometric identities and mentions the technique of integration by parts.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the term "reduce" and seeks clarification on whether it means to expand the integral.
  • One participant attempts to apply integration by parts but struggles with the resulting expressions, particularly with the arc sine function appearing unexpectedly.
  • A later reply corrects a previous mistake regarding the integral's formulation, leading to a new expression involving logarithmic integration.
  • Another participant references an external resource for evaluating a specific logarithmic integral related to the discussion.
  • One participant acknowledges a significant error in their calculations, which affects the integrals being discussed.
  • A supportive comment encourages perseverance and careful checking of each step in the problem-solving process.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the integrals, with no consensus on a definitive solution or method. The discussion remains unresolved as participants navigate through different techniques and corrections.

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Participants mention limitations in their calculus knowledge and the complexity of integrating functions involving arc cosine and arc sine, indicating that the discussion may not cover all necessary mathematical steps or assumptions.

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I was trying to derive the formula for the moment of inertia of a rectangular prism at its centre of mass. And ended up with this:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}M(a/2)^{2}+2\frac{M}{ab}\int^{b/2}_{a/2}arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr+4\frac{M}{ab}\int^{\sqrt{a^{2}+b^{2}}}_{b/2}(\frac{\pi}{2}-arccos\frac{b/2}{r}-arccos\frac{a/2}{r})rdr[/tex]

Due to the limitation of my knowledge in Calculus, I was stuck here. Can anyone help me solve these two integral:

[tex]\int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr[/tex]

[tex]\int (\frac{\pi}{2}-arccos\frac{b/2}{r}-arccos\frac{a/2}{r})rdr[/tex]
 
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Still have no idea. First,by "reduce", do you mean to expand the first integral ? Second, I have not learned partial integration.
 
benhou said:
Still have no idea. First,by "reduce", do you mean to expand the first integral ? Second, I have not learned partial integration.
By reduce I mean simplify. Do it by trig identities (wikipedia has a great list of these):

[tex]\arccos\alpha \pm \arccos\beta = \arccos(\alpha\beta \mp \sqrt{(1-\alpha^2)(1-\beta^2)})[/tex]

[tex]\arcsin(x)+\arccos(x)=\pi/2[/tex]

For taking the integral of these trig functions, here is the trick: first learn the derivatives, then use integration by parts

[tex]\int u\, \frac{dv}{dx}\; dx=uv-\int v\, \frac{du}{dx} \; dx\![/tex]

Notice that if you know the derivative of u, [tex]\frac{du}{dx}[/tex], you can evalute the integral of u wrt x, [tex]\int u \; dx[/tex], using the derivative instead.
 
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It seems impossible now. Since we know the derivative of arccos but not the integral of it, eg. for the first integral: [tex] \int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr[/tex]

which
[tex]u=arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{dr}=r[/tex]

then,from [tex] \int u\, \frac{dv}{dx}\; dx=uv-\int v\, \frac{du}{dx} \; dx\![/tex]
and [tex]\frac{d}{dx}arccos(u)=\frac{-1}{\sqrt{1-u^{2}}}\frac{du}{dx}[/tex]

we have
[tex]\int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr=arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)\frac{r^{2}}{2}+\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)^{2}}}[\frac{d}{dr}(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)]\frac{r^{2}}{2}dr[/tex]

when I simplified it:
[tex]\int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr=arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)\frac{r^{2}}{2}-[arcsin\frac{a}{2r}](ar)-a\int arcsin\frac{a}{2r}dr[/tex]

Now I have to integrate ArcSin. Isn't this impossible? I am close to dying. I kind of started on the second integral, and it seem like it would get twice as long as this.
 
Does anyone know how to derive the formula for the moment of inertia of a rectangular prism?
 
Wait, where did that arcsin come in? It looks like you had everything algebraic before...
 
Oopsss, I misused one formula. Now I corrected it. From this one:

[tex] \int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr=arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)\frac{r^{2}}{2}+\int \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)^{2}}}[\frac{d}{dr}(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)]\frac{r^{2}}{2}dr[/tex]

By using this formula:

[tex]\int\frac{1}{\sqrt{u^{2}\pm a^{2}}}du=ln\left|u+\sqrt{u^{2}\pm a^{2}}\right|+C[/tex]

and further integration by parts, I got this:

[tex]\int arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)rdr=arccos(\frac{a^{2}}{2r^{2}}-1)\frac{r^{2}}{2}-\frac{ar}{2}ln\left|r+\sqrt{r^{2}-(a/2)^{2}}\right|+\frac{a}{2}\int ln\left|r+\sqrt{r^{2}-(a/2)^{2}}\right|dr[/tex]
 
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Damn! I made a major mistake! The two [tex]rdr[/tex] should be [tex]r^{3}dr[/tex].
I should make sure before I start next time. Thanks for both of your help though. I appreciate it.
 
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Don't give up now! Just work through it carefully. Try showing (and checking) each step. I will not allow you to give up!

Joking, nothing I can say or do would require you to do anything. Still, you should have that attitude for yourself, sometimes.
 

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